Deutsches Jungvolk? Shoulderboard with blue piping - What´s this ?

[holzwurm_1920]

Hallo, I got a picture from a collection with this DJ shoulderboard on it. It has a blue piping and DJ4 on it. Is it from Afrika (color blue) or from a Feuerwehrschar ? What is it ? Opinions wellcome. Best Regards

[Gefolgschaft -]

It looks like a DJ strap for Auslander. Hopefully Wim Saris will see this thread and comment.

[wilhelm saris]

Yes, I have seen it. I think the DJ could mean "Deutsche Jugend" instead of Deutsches
Jungvolk. This is just what comes up in me. If that is correct I don't know, as I do not
know in which countries such "Deutsche Jugend" did exist. I know the existance of a
magazine "Der Pfadfinder", which was named "magazine for the Deutsche Jugend in southwest-
Africa".
The blue so indeed could mean Africa.

swa-33 - kopie.jpg

[wilhelm saris]

Here a photograph from such group is shown: note the HJ brassard and a triangle.
The photograph shows them waiting for guest from the South-African Union (Deutsche
Jugendgruppe der Union von Südafrika), at Windhuk in about 5-8 July 1934.

swa-16 - kopie - kopie.jpg

From another photograph I know that numbers were worn upon the shoulder-strap,
but at the moment the photograph was taken, the shoulder-straps were brown. The
number shown was 4. When this number upon the black strap is indeed from Africa
then it possibly was used by the group of "Horst Windhoek".

[wilhelm saris]

Here a somewhat better and larger photograph and another one where the Bann-flag is
being consecrated for that area!

[Gefolgschaft -]

Excellent photos Wim. Pity that the Bannfahne designation can't be clearly read. I wonder what it says.

[wilhelm saris]

I can't identify it from the photograph. I know when this flag was shown in front
of about 1,200 boys and girls (this is mentioned). The man who holds the flag is
Erich von Lossnitzer who was send by the German RJF to try to incorporate the
Pfadfinderbund into the HJ. In my opinion the ribbon could have read the abbreviation
SWA or Südwestafrika.
Von Lossnitzer was warned not to use the flag, nor to appear in HJ-uniform. But he did.
On July 10, 1934 von Lossnitzer was expelled from SWA by the magistrate for what he
had tried, but did in fact not succeed.

Due to the intentions to incorporate the Pfadfinder into the HJ at any moment it
was thought the Pfadfinder would be forbidden. For that reason the old Pfadfinder
ceased to exist and a new Pfadfinder-organization was raised May 21, 1935 as
"Deutsche Pfadfinder von Südwestafrika". With these the name "Horst" (literally
translated as "nest for a bird of prey"') was a common and old expression that did
not have anything to do with Horst Wessel, which was thought by the government
in SWA.
From this one knows that the earlier mentioned "Horst Windhoek" were in fact members
from the Pfadfinder. The HJ was organized in a Bann with Gefolgschaften.

[christianlohmann]

Hm, Interesting. On my photos of the Deutsche Pfadfinderbund in Namibia their shoulderboards show no numbers, no letters and none is in blue colour.

[wilhelm saris]

Here it is with the number 4 upon the shoulder-strap, but upon
a brown version. The photo is from July 1934.

swa-4-H.Koch - kopie - kopie.jpg

[wilhelm saris]

In an article about the Deutsche Pfadfinder in Südwestafrika,a youth-group from
the German Volksgruppe abroad, published in the magazine "Schwert und Spaten"
nr.16 from June 1939, it was mentioned that the "Horst"-groups were to be
recognized by number(s) upon the shoulder-strap (Nummer des Horstes). I know
quite some name of these, but not the number that goes with them.