Are these patches for Hitler Youth Feldscher medics?

[Paul Ayerst]

going through the trays and found these two elongated
Feldscher and wonder if one or more may be HJ related. One is white thread on feldgrau the other yellow on a dark background any thoughts:canada:

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[Gefolgschaft]

The yellow might be Paul.

 

[Paul Ayerst]

They are both odd for sure:canada:and one may have had cord around it