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I found this picture on ebay. The photo itself looks correkt but what puzzels me is the shoulder strap. Wrong side of the shoulder with number(?) written across the board.

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He is anyway wearing the shoulder-strap upon the wrong shoulder.
I think it is not a number, but the L for Munich upside down.
Turn you photo upside down and you will see what I mean!

Maybe the photograph was developed wrong and printed obverse,
could that be? I am not a photographer. There are surely specialists
around, that can tell what happened.
 
Here's the strap reversed and reversed/upside down

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And strap from the original photo and original reversed.

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He is anyway wearing the shoulder-strap upon the wrong shoulder.
I think it is not a number, but the L for Munich upside down.

I agree with Wilhelm

Not easy to see on the photo, but the shirt is buttoned the boys way, with the buttonholes on the left side of the shirt opening. Hope you understand what I mean.
 
I think the shirt looks correct on the picture I posted. The hair style is also the common style, hair is combed from left to right. It was of course on my mind that the picture was developed the wrong way but it does not look so to me.
If there is an L or not on the shoulder board I can not say since I am not experienced enough.

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If there is an L or not on the shoulder board I can not say since I am not experienced enough.

It is a capital letter L. Wilhelm is the expert on this subject. His Handbook of the Hitler-Jugend - Bann Numbers and Gebiet Triangles is a must for any HJ collector ond researcher.

Why the strap is sewn to the wrong side, is not to know.

Original period photos are an excellent source to the irregularities you might find, and probably reject, if you find them out there int the "jungle" of collectors and dealers.

There are numerous examples here on hj-research.
 
In Philip Bakers "Some aspects....", page 20 picture 26, 5th boy from the right, one can see that he has his shoulder board on his right shoulder.
On page 23, left column, 2nd section at the end this is also mentioned.
I just read it last night.
So, the picture is correct but the boy has his shoulder board, marked L for MĂĽnchen,. on the wrong shoulder.
Good when questions can be solved.
 
I am sorry but I do not quite understand the intention of your remark.
Dyslexia means that you often confuse left with right, get numbers mixed around etc... he was referring to the HJ-Boy in the photo, but i do believe that a few HJ-Research Forum members have this horrible ailment as well. :swiss
 
Well, I was not sure of which boy it was refered to. The boy on the picture in Bakers book who also has his shoulder board on the right shoulder was probably not ill as it was his mother who sewed on the shoulder board.
 
Well, I was not sure of which boy it was refered to. The boy on the picture in Bakers book who also has his shoulder board on the right shoulder was probably not ill as it was his mother who sewed on the shoulder board.
:lol: When i was at school, we had to sew and KNIT ! I dont see that being any different in Germany at that time. Who knows, maybe his Oma, maybe big sister, maybe he sewed it on. Impossible to say, and not even really something to speculate on.
 
:lol: When i was at school, we had to sew and KNIT ! I dont see that being any different in Germany at that time. Who knows, maybe his Oma, maybe big sister, maybe he sewed it on. Impossible to say, and not even really something to speculate on.

Jo Rivett, interesting information you provide. I did not know that Phil Baker speculated in his books. I always thought his information to be correct.
 
Hi,

I saw at one time :crying: a picture of youth, lined-up, ready to be inspected by leaders of the HJ.
The thing that stroke me, was the fact that these boys wore there leather shoulderstrap the other way around. :confused1:
(so from the LEFT shoulder downwards)

This was apparently in the beginning, the early days of the movement.
Could this be a remnant of this period????
Just guessing here, so don't shoot me down, if this has nothing to do with it.
:h

Since German regulations are somewhat strict and considering the fact, this is a fairly young boy, that he would have made a mistake in putting his schoulderboard on the wrong side AND that his family and or tutors would have allowed him to be photographed that way, does not seem a plausible explaination to me.

But again that is only my humble opinion, I'm by no means an expert on this matter.
Just thinking outloud here with all you guys.
That's what a forum is all about, right?
Sharing each others thoughts and trying to resolve the question that has been asked.
:amen:

So far the possible explanation of Wim (wrong development of the pictures does seem plausible to me, but sorry I'm not a fan of photography either, so is this possible.....I think it is?)

wizardelf
:belgium
 
Jo Rivett, interesting information you provide. I did not know that Phil Baker speculated in his books. I always thought his information to be correct.
.. Gismo....You didn't know that Baker speculated in his books? :)scared:)
http://www.hj-research.com/forum/f55/torf-einsatz-1943-badge-4244/
OK, i`m off to cut some "Torf" now :swiss:bounce:
Just guessing here, so don't shoot me down, if this has nothing to do with it.
Wizardelf, they`ll be no shooting here, not on my watch.
 
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