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  1. #11

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    Quote Originally Posted by lauri View Post
    Try to find them with
    RZM
    label is very difficult.
    Now it's ok
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  2. #12

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    My knots have now found a beautiful scarf
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  3. #13

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    Hello Lauri,

    great scarf-knots. Textbook manufacturing with the correct natural color. With your knots the tag is attached
    as according to 1938.

    I have scanned the manufacturing-regulations for them from 1936 and 1938, which were published in the
    "Herstellungsvorschriften" (manufacturing-regulations) from the Reichszeugmeisterei.

    HV-1936.jpg HV-1936Nachtrag.jpg HV-2-1936.jpg
    a) b) c)

    a) The text as to according the 1936 manufacturing regulations. The same knot was valid for DJ, BDM and
    JM
    ;
    b) The text as published later that year while the knots were allowed to be made from a subsitute material: Alkor.
    c) The tag that should be positioned onto the box. The knots were NOT seperately supplied with an
    RZM
    -tag;

    HV-1938.jpg

    d) The text as to according the 1938
    RZM
    manufacturing regulations, to be made from Alkor. The
    RZM
    tag is now
    included in the form as shown with Lauri's knots. It was especially noted that each knot should have a tag.
    Last edited by wilhelm saris; 28th February 2012 at 11:01 PM.

  4. #14

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    Hello Wim.
    Thank you for the various regulations. I did not know the regulation of 1938 and the term "Alkor". Very useful

  5. #15

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    Alkor is the material all of your knots are made from. It is no real leather.

  6. #16

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    Beginning of 1936: Lederknoten;
    Later that year and 1938: Halstuchknoten.
    In the beginning, so until the mid of 1936 the knots were from real leather and should have a
    quite "pale" look. But we all know that darker leather types were in use, due to the fact the
    boys brought them from their old organizations (when they earlier had been in another youth-
    organization or whatever).
    It is also obvious it was allowed to have three or four woven strands and were as such worn
    by HJ, as well as DJ, BDM and
    JM
    .

  7. #17

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    Thank you Wim, now i understand why the difference between Lederknoten/Halstuchknoten!

    Have you some reference about this distinction grosse/kleine ?
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    Last edited by lauri; 3rd March 2012 at 11:56 PM.

  8. #18

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    it's in the regulation: three or four strands.

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