So after some considerable delving into the dark areas of my collection I did find the badge I referred to earlier. Again this one is of a completely different type of embroidery to the other two. Last picture is for size comparison but I am sure there is one that falls between the large size and the middle sized one I have pictured.
Notice the odd shaped diamond and swastika in the middle.
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To make a case for the period existence of that mid-size patch it would be necessary to find a point in time when it could have existed and also to establish a specific requirement for a patch of this size that could not be fulfilled by the larger patch.
In July 1934 it was announced that all Hitler Youth clothing, insignia and equipment would come under
RZM control. The large patch is specifically mentioned and the regulation states that they were only to be available through the offices of the Reich Youth Leadership (RJF). If we are to believe that the mid-sized patch existed at that time, we would have to accept the notion that that the RJF not only ignored regulations but also that it was filling orders with two different sizes and designs of patch. A non-starter in my opinion and in any case, there is no mention of a second size of patch in the clothing regulations for this early period. The only other diamond cloth patch was of course the small one introduced for the summer cap in Jan 1940.
Could the mid-size patch pre-date the introduction of RZM control? There was a period of grace which ended on 30.9.1934 that allowed non-standard items to remain available for sale if they were at least an 80% match for the standard item but as we can see, the mid-size patch, when compared to the standard large patch, clearly does not meet that requirement. The "pre-RZM" scenario is a non-starter in my opinion.
The only scenario left is the ubiquitous "late-war" period but anyone supporting that position would need to explain why the RJF would not only change the size of the cloth patch but also its design. "Late-war" is also a non-starter in my opinion.