HJ Shoulderstrap buttons with high numbers

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Mr. Saris tells in his book, that the highest number found on a shoulderstrap button was 39.

I want to share some pieces of my collection with you.

- portrait photo of Flieger-HJ, Bann 165 Harz-Bode, Gefolgschaft number 43
- 2 pairs of buttons with numbers 46 and 47

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Mr. Saris tells in his book, that the highest number found on a shoulderstrap button was 39.

I want to share some pieces of my collection with you.

- portrait photo of Flieger-HJ, Bann 165 Harz-Bode, Gefolgschaft number 43
- 2 pairs of buttons with numbers 46 and 47

Nice, thanks for showing this photo Sven. There is still much to learn about the structure of the HJ.
 
Here is another insignia oddity from the same Bann. Flakhelfer shoulder strap with the bann number sewn on by hand.

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I wonder what made him say that? Bizarre... On my hard drive alone I have documents showing the existence of two Gefolgschaften with numbers higher than that (43 and 46) and there's also a Fähnlein 70. Buttons must have existed for these boys. Or does he mean that 39 was the highest he has physically seen i.e. actually had in his hands?

Not that there's actually any argument anyway when you look at Sven's photo of course :)
 
Or does he mean that 39 was the highest he has physically seen i.e. actually had in his hands?

Yes, I think that was meant :001_smile:

In my opinion it's hard to find buttons with higher numbers because there are not so much Banne with more than 50++ Gefolgschaften. I wish to find some with number 70.

As I found these at a dealer's side I became the crazy idea to collect the different buttons as well - call me a freak :w00t:
 
I've got some of the shoulder strap buttons also Sven. They turn up on ebay once in a while for great prices. Look good displayed on the straps.
 
Thanks Sven :thumb:

Here's the highest I've seen:

Bann 668 Kattowitz (Gefolg. 76 Schwientochlowitz)

It is listed in the SHAEF report but I haven't come across any other documentation yet with which that entry can be cross-referenced.
 
My first posting on this Forum and this to an almost four year old thread. I recently talked to an experienced collector and he told me that back in the 70´s he had original RZM seal marked paper boards for the HJ with numbers close up to 60.
Right now he only has #48 left and I will try to talk him out of that pair.
A guess would be that there was some planning ahead for expansion and for that reason buttons were made up with higher numbers than needed at the moment.
There can´t be any serous money to be made on fake buttons.
 
Hello,

I have this set since a few years. This Jungvolk shoulder strap and the button are sewn together. There were already high numbers in the early time because this set from Saarbrücken was worn before 1936. Please note that the diameter of the button is only 18 mm and not 19 mm.

Best regards

Eric
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Hello,

I have this set since a few years. This Jungvolk shoulder strap and the button are sewn together. There were already high numbers in the early time because this set from Saarbrücken was worn before 1936. Please note that the diameter of the button is only 18 mm and not 19 mm.

Best regards

Eric
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The Jungbann were officially as 1/70 and 2/70 before 1936. 2/70 dissolved January 1, 1936.
 
To Wilhelm Saris; This morning when I wrote my posting I did not have your book. The postman was here only one hour ago and luckily he had with him a copy of it which I ordered last week. Of course I did check page 272 you mentioned and yes, you are correct as you certainly should be as the author.
I have only browsed a little in it and this far I am very impressed of the wealth of information. Great work indeed.
 
Thanks Gismo. Pitily not all is 100% correct. This was caused due to the fact
some "specialist" did withhold information (on purpose) and another one provided
me with information, which was not totally correct after all!
I always try to do my best when writing, but we cannot know all. That's for sure
and known to me after over 40 years of research......
 
Wilhelm, During all my years as a collector in several fields of interest, I have met many different collectors. Some share their knowledge happily while other think that the information they have are of higher value then the actual object and should not at all be free.
If something this complicated as the HJ would be 100 % correct it would be of a great surprise.
Although being far from an expert I would say that the shoulder boards of the HJ were the most complicated of all 3rd Reich organizations.
 
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