Steve, these are HJ leader straps meant to have metal numbers or cyphers affixed to them. Or they are Leader or Gebietstab straps. Maybe even RJF. Later wartime straps. Probably unissued as no numbers are affixed. The first one shown was manufactured by August Beiersmann and the second one was made by Lucas and Vorsteher of Wuppertal-Oberbarmen. Both held RZM permits without interuption for the entire period from 1934 onward. Wait till you see what the little old lady is bringing me this week! Stuff has been raining down on me for the last three days, scrambling to get cash together. I've dropped over a thousand Euro in two days, and need about 1200 more soon!