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    Now that is surely enough proof for the oval ones.
    Thanks to Daniel.
    But is there any proof on photos (pre1945) of the round ones?

  2. #22

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    Thanks for this great sample Daniel.
    @christianlohmann : I only know this picture
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  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Garry View Post
    The patches Darin showed in post #5 were described by Weitze as being for those who took the A, B or C tests whilst participating on a Wehrertüchtigung course (pre-military training). Patch 2 in Darin's post shows a patch with lightning which Weitze describes as being for Level C of the marine signalling test. Now, I'm looking but I can't find anything in the regulations about these particular patches. We are all familiar with the usual MHJ qualification patches but those in Darin's post are a mystery to me. In 1942 an agreement was reached between the HJ and the Kriegsmarine to provide training for the 'Marine-Wehrfunk' which was designed to provide a pool of boys with training in German navy signals procedures (MHJ Wehrfunker). I'm wondering whether the patches with anchor and lightning were for wear by these boys but I have nothing confirming that.

    I'll keep looking but does anyone else have any more info?
    Aircrew kindly uploaded a shot of a sample board which confirms the idea about the patch with the lightning being for the Marine-HJ Wehrfunker (see left for blown-up shot of one of the round versions of the badge which is clearly marked as being an "Armscheibe für Wehrfunker"). These round patches can't be seen in regulations etc before 1942 so that year seems to be the logical place to begin looking for further info. Wehrfunkers.jpg

    The agreement I mentioned between the RJF and the Kriegsmarine describes the MHJ Wehrfunker patch as a red anchor with lightning. It goes on to say that once the boy had satisfied the requirement for award of the "Seesportfunkzeugnis" he wore a red chevron beneath the anchor. Badges matching that description are shown in the book "Marine-HJ im Dienst" and can be seen over there to the right. Clearly, these are oval and not round so it remains unclear when the latter were introduced. They were introduced at some point (as evidenced by the photo uploaded by Debertex here) but we're still not sure when that was. We have to be looking at a date after March 1942 though, that's for sure.

    Here is a chap who would have worn a Wehrfunker patch: MHJ Wehrfunk.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garry View Post
    Hi Atze,

    I don't have a picture of a real one but here is the version worn on dark shirts/jackets

    On blue shirts/jackets: blue cloth with red anchor
    On white shirts/jackets: white cloth with blue anchor.

    The patch was introduced in 1938 and was worn on the upper right arm.
    Not the better shape but good IMO.
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