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    ski

    100% fake

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    I would buy it for 50 dollars . (but only as a representitive piece .) As it is a fake .

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    Not being an expert, I can't pass judgement, but I reckon it looks pretty crude on the obverse.

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    fake??

    Quote Originally Posted by railhouse View Post
    100% fake
    hi what are reasons for it being fake ??? auction house supplying letter of authenticity

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    This is very rare badge and made by only one maker (Wittmann). Originals have a hollow back and I must ask myself if Wittmann would need to make variations of a badge which was made in very small numbers (the one you show has solid back). I agree with the others that this is a fake. Who is the dealer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norku32 View Post
    This is very rare badge and made by only one maker (Wittmann). Originals have a hollow back and I must ask myself if Wittmann would need to make variations of a badge which was made in very small numbers (the one you show has solid back). I agree with the others that this is a fake. Who is the dealer?
    it is brentwood auction house it was brought back by a now deceased vet and came from his estate it is stamped wittman in correct area,just the back is the worry,but ive seen other supposed badges in various guises,who knows ??

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    auction houses will supply a letter of authenticity for any crap doesnt make it original

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    ah another vet bringback probably the first red flag . This is the premiere badge to avoid unless it comes from the owner with his papers


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    This is withought doubt a fake. It has caught a number of collectors. I have attached scans of the badge to show it more clearly. Also a brief history of the award and its manufacture, I hope this is helpful and interesting.

    Hitler Youth Expert Skier Badge.
    Instituted on 1934?
    Rarity – Extremely Rare
    Known Makers –Wittman, München, F Hoffstätter, Bonn.

    This badge comprises of a circle that measures 60 mm and has a width of 6 mm. On to this, in raised capital letters is, 'SKI HJ. FÜHRER'. A pair of crossed skis is superimposed across the badge. Over their centre is an edelweiss incorporating the enamelled HJ membership diamond. The skis measure 77 mm long and they are soldered to the circle at their four meeting points. There are subtle differences in the badges constructed by Wittmann and Hoffstätter, which can be detected by observing the badges from the obverse. The upper ends of the Skies on the Hoffstätter badges have a more pronounced “hook”, and the tip of the large petal of the Edelweiss at the “five o clock” position lies on top of the centre line of the ski, while those on the Wittmann examples touches but does not overlap the centre line

    The reverse of the circle is plain with the maker's name impressed in small, capital letters that are found in two lines, 'WITTMAN, MÜNCHEN', or ‘F HOFFSTÄTTER, BONN’ and similarly impressed 'Ges. Gesch'. The reverse of the edelweiss shows the negative of the obverse. There are two needle pins, and hinge and hook attachments. The whole of the badge is very finely constructed and finished in silver that is artificially patinated with an old smoke effect. It is highly possible that these two companies were not the true makers of the award, but the distributors of it.

    The specific criteria for award of the badge are unknown but it is probable that some form of rigid alpine skiing test was undertaken to earn the award. This could also have encompassed first aid and other leadership qualities. The date of institution is unknown but the badge is shown in an HJ manual for 1934, which describes it as being for the HJ, BDM and JM. It is most probable that this was given as a mark of qualification upon passing their tests prior to becoming recognised instructors in those organisations. It must therefore be considered in this light rather than an actual award. When awarded the HJ Ski Leader’s Badge was presented in a fitted case with press-stud button. The colour of the case and liner are not known. The citation that accompanied the award is also not unknown, as is the length of time this very rare badge was in being.

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