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  1. #11

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    in adding to this thread found this pre-war list of member numbers today and it starts in 23??????

    Pre-war Membership HJ DJV BDM DJM Combined

    1923 1,200
    1924 2,400
    1925 5,000
    1926 6,000
    1927 8,000
    1928 10,000
    1929 13,000
    1930 26,000
    1931 63,700
    1932 99,586
    1933 2,292,041
    1934 3,577,565
    1935 3,942,303
    1936 5,437,602
    1937 5,879,955
    1938 7,031,226
    1939 7,287,470

  2. #12
    When modern reference books talk about the numbers of HJ members prior to 1926 they are talking about the various nationalist youth organisations which existed prior to the official formation of the HJ in 1926.

    The very first youth section of the NSDAP was the 'Jugendbund der NSDAP' in 1922 but this was short-lived and was forbidden along with the rest of the NSDAP in 1923. There was also the 'Nationalsozialistische Arbeiterjugend' in Vienna.

    Between 1923 and 1926 the NSDAP made no moves towards incorporating a youth wing into the party apparatus and it was two main personalities who continued to work towards that aim on their own initiative. One was Adolf Lenk and the other Kurt Gruber. I won't go into long detail but the upshot was that Kurt Gruber's 'Großdeutsche Jugendbewegung won through.

    The 'Hitler-Jugend' was officially created at the 1926 party rally in Weimar. Adolf Hitler had agreed to make the 'Großdeutsche Jugendbewegung' his party youth organisation. Julius Streicher suggested the name 'Hitler-Jugend, Bund deutscher Arbeiterjugend' to Hitler which was accepted and so the HJ was officially born .

    Edit: just noticed that you used the words 'pre-war Stu. Which book are you referencing? It doesn't change the 1926 thing but I'd be interested to know which source you're using.

  3. #13

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    Hi guys,

    Allow mw to show you my new adquisition, the "solid" version of the Muenchen 1923-1933 Tinnie. A really top and "must have" tinnie, in any of its versions.

    So far, I have already 2, so 2 more to go.

    Hope you like it.

    Regards

    Antonio
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    Sorry for resurrecting this old thread, but I thought it worthwhile since I could not find a reference anywhere.

    I came across this special edition of the Münchner Zeitung reporting about the 1. Gebietstreffen der Hitlerjugend "Hochland" in Munich from August 19 through 21, 1933. Shows this well known tinnie as the event badge.
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    interesting

  6. #16

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    Quote Originally Posted by der-hase-fee View Post
    I came across this special edition of the Münchner Zeitung reporting about the 1. Gebietstreffen der Hitlerjugend "Hochland" in Munich from August 19 through 21, 1933. Shows this well known tinnie as the event badge.
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    copy of 'der-hase-fee' Münchner Zeitung report (for ease of reference)

    Hi Guys

    My HJ München 1923-1933 will be arriving soon, found this thread, and now just "seeking clarity". No doubt, this Tinnie was manufactured for the 10th anniversary of the Putsch, but since the last post (Dec 2011), has any new information come to light regarding the following: was this a Tinnie / Event Badge only for (as Münchner Zeitung suggests) the participating HJ Hochland Members (HJ 'Hochland' 1. Gebietstreffen in München) during August 1933? - or was it a "Festabzeichen", available, and for sale, to all participating HJ Members during the November 1933 commemoration/event celebration in München?

    Looking forward to your opinions, also the Collector Community consensus.

    Kind Regards, Ian

  7. #17
    In my opinion this badge is a tinnie (Festabzeichen) Ian. The badge mentions the year of the Putsch but the event is a standard regional rally, this one being for Gebiet 19 Hochland. Similar tinnies can be found for the Gebietstreffen of other HJ regions (HJ Gebiete) as you'll know.

  8. #18

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garry View Post
    The badge mentions the year of the Putsch but the event is a standard regional rally, this one being for Gebiet 19 Hochland.
    Hi Garry, thanks for the info - please confirm my understanding: HJ Gebiet 19 "Hochland" comprised youth from Gaue München-Oberbayern und Schwaben - this HJ 1923-1933 München (Und Ihr Habt Doch Gesiegt) tinnie was produced only for issue/sale to members of the HJ Gebiet 19 "Hochland" - a Festabzeichen to be worn by participants at their "regional rally" 19-21 August 1933 in München (as per Münchener Zeitung), but not coinciding with, or being part of, the 9 Nov 1933 NSDAP commemoration event of the 10th anniversary of the Putsch. Was it permitted to wear this Festabzeichen after the rally? (to put it crudely, as a sign of "been there, done that").

    Apologies for this long-winded, not too eloquent, attempt to get my facts correct.

    Kind Regards, Ian

  9. #19
    Hi Ian,

    At the time of this event Gebiet 19 covered the following area:

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    In my opinion and based on what I have read, I have to assume that this is a tinnie (Festabzeichen) made for the event with the usual purpose of fundraising and as an outward sign of participation. I think that the tinnie design is demonstrating pride in München's part in the rise of the NSDAP with "1923-1933" marking the period of the "Kampfzeit. I have not read that this badge was afforded any honour status in Gebiet 19 and it certainly wasn't elevated in any way at the national level as was the case with the Potsdam 1. Reichsjugendtag badge. The newspaper supplement shown by der-hase-fee above might give more clues about the thinking behind it. There's one on offer at the Berliner Auktionshaus currently actually.

    If we assume that this was a normal tinnie then normally it would only have been worn for the duration of the event. For me this is a very nice-looking, uncommon but otherwise unremarkable tinnie.

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    Hi Gary - once again, many thanks for the info (also pic and link), clarifies it for me - I've now also managed to get "The Hitler Jugend" SHAEF document "Basic Handbook" (PDF) which gives lots of gen regarding Banne / Gebiete / Uniforms and Gebiete schematic.

    All the best, Ian

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