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Hi everyone,
The last couple of days I was busy with studying my Deumer HJ Ehrenzeichens. And more important: comparing them with the controversial (fake?) horizontal maker marked Deumer. You probably know the badge with "M1/120" written above the pinplate and the RZM mark below the pin plate. (maybe someone has a picture on file). Detlev Niemann sold them and also Weitze has on for sale from time to time.
Now if I compare the dot pattern of this controversial Deumer, it match with all my other Deumers. If you make a pictures of the red enamel field and place it in one line with other Deumers it is the same. So I guess they came out one and the same obverse die. Also the typical step in the gilded outer border is the same on all Deumers. Besides Deumer only Deschler has a similar step. The other makers have a different type of golden border.
The more I think about it, the more I get convinced that the horizontal maker marked Deumer could be a good variant instead of a fake HJ Ehrenzeichen.
A few pictures of these badges woul make it more clear but than I have to rely on the good will of some fellow collectors ;-)
Metallwarenfabrik has written me that he will check a few things concerning this badge as soon as he has the time. In the mean while I'm open for discussion here on HJ -research.
Me too have always thought this badge was a fake. But new I think it deserves a second look.
Kind regards, Wim
The last couple of days I was busy with studying my Deumer HJ Ehrenzeichens. And more important: comparing them with the controversial (fake?) horizontal maker marked Deumer. You probably know the badge with "M1/120" written above the pinplate and the RZM mark below the pin plate. (maybe someone has a picture on file). Detlev Niemann sold them and also Weitze has on for sale from time to time.
Now if I compare the dot pattern of this controversial Deumer, it match with all my other Deumers. If you make a pictures of the red enamel field and place it in one line with other Deumers it is the same. So I guess they came out one and the same obverse die. Also the typical step in the gilded outer border is the same on all Deumers. Besides Deumer only Deschler has a similar step. The other makers have a different type of golden border.
The more I think about it, the more I get convinced that the horizontal maker marked Deumer could be a good variant instead of a fake HJ Ehrenzeichen.
A few pictures of these badges woul make it more clear but than I have to rely on the good will of some fellow collectors ;-)
Metallwarenfabrik has written me that he will check a few things concerning this badge as soon as he has the time. In the mean while I'm open for discussion here on HJ -research.
Me too have always thought this badge was a fake. But new I think it deserves a second look.
Kind regards, Wim