As for the comment about indirect vet estate purchase, that is not amusing .... so I am not BSing when I say that and I really do not like the implication.
Hi John, it was not intended to be amusing, it is simply the age old extra that gets added to many items. And in most cases, it is nothing more than hogwash. (This has been proven over and over, and can be, proven over and over)
The question of whether a certain person or dealer is actually lying, or even invented the story, cannot be ascertained in most cases, but in this case i dont believe any such reference was made. Well not by me anyway, it is all about the prefix, who`s sole purpose is to instantly authenticate any old item, just because it comes with the dealers assurance that it`s pedigree dates back to an old man who was supposedly in the war. This is the way too many have been doing business since 1945, and the reason why half the collectors (and dealers) are jelly sandwiches. It is also the reason that reference books are full of crap, because history looses hands down when weighed up with a fuddy-duddy vet story. In this case, it is what you were told, weighed up with some honest debating that casts
serious historical doubt on these three zinc honor badges.
I have no problem holding onto them until we find a dug example
Unfortunately John, this wont wash either, and is an age old trick to corrode a few suspect items, in order to authenticate the rest. A partially corroded zinc
HJ honor badge would prove what? It would prove as much as a vet estate story does, nothing! Or, to those not capable of research, or who want to dismiss historical fact as hearsay, it may well be "definite proof". I guess it depends on what kind of person is discussing the item, and whether they base any "authentication" on facts and history first, or whether the "story" is predominant in their analysis.
There are a few more threads on this forum about your HJ zinc badges:
http://www.hj-research.com/forum/f28/four-m1-120-hj-honour-badges-sale-one-dealer-7301/
http://www.hj-research.com/forum/f2...t-zinc-painted-hj-honour-badge-m1-120-a-5546/
I just went over those old threads again and could not find any jabs, or personal issues at all.
As far as i am concerned, i have no problem talking about dealers that i know, or have done business with, why shouldn't i? If a fake is listed on some site, and people want to discuss it, why not. I could keep the status quo, sit on the side line like so many do, and say nothing. Why though? so that i could personally profit from possible future transactions with this particular dealer? Well that would be a reason i guess, and i guess many feel this way. Slay old Charlie Snyder, say what you want about Germania International or any other dealer that everyone hates, that is allowed on any forum, and even encouraged - but when it comes to everyone else, dont upset the status quo! Keep your mouth shut!
I feel like the items were discussed on these few threads here about your zinc HJ badges, and not you. Or have i missed something?
Surely you see the point though? three (and possibly more) threads about these three badges of yours, discussion, period facts being considered, honest discussion taking place, dates and periods being weighed up, considered, known fakes being shown and the obverse design being compared to yours, people taking the time to add 2 and 2 and come up with a plausible 4. Do you have anything to add? Anything of interest that may
help the discussion?
or just that they are an indirect vet estate purchase?