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  1. #11

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norku32 View Post
    Hi,
    Wann wurde diese Art Nadel (Sicherheitsnadel?) eingeführt?
    This specific pin with safety lock was discribed for HJ honour awards in 1939. Reason was that too many badges with a common safety pin got lost. It's only found on the Deumer versions of this award which make it plausible that togehter with the very high serial numbers, they got one of the last production orders.

    Regards, Wim

  2. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by Wim Vangossum View Post
    This specific pin with safety lock was discribed for HJ honour awards in 1939. Reason was that too many badges with a common safety pin got lost. It's only found on the Deumer versions of this award which make it plausible that togehter with the very high serial numbers, they got one of the last production orders.

    Regards, Wim
    makes good sense, wonder why it was not described for more awards that where being damaged and lost through hard wear


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wim Vangossum View Post
    This specific pin with safety lock was discribed for HJ honour awards in 1939. Reason was that too many badges with a common safety pin got lost. It's only found on the Deumer versions of this award which make it plausible that togehter with the very high serial numbers, they got one of the last production orders.

    Regards, Wim
    Vielen Dank für die Infos Wim.

    Admin Edit to translate: "Many thanks for the information Wim"

  4. #14

    Going full circle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wim Vangossum View Post
    This specific pin with safety lock was discribed for HJ honour awards in 1939. Reason was that too many badges with a common safety pin got lost. It's only found on the Deumer versions of this award which make it plausible that togehter with the very high serial numbers, they got one of the last production orders.

    Regards, Wim
    Wim, i have a question for you. If you look at this presumably late war piece (there are three identical one up on that website) it "looks as if Deumer went full circle, from normal pins, that "broke off-resulting in badges being lost" to the 1939 system as you pointed out with the "new" saftey style pin, then later on back to the normal pins. ?? why would this be? if a descision was made to introduce a new pin type in 1939, then how come the same maker went back to normal pins later on?

  5. #15
    ALSO MAKE YOU WONDER WHY BADGES LIKE THE GOLD [PARTY BADGES WHERE NOT UPGRADED AS THEY CONTINUALLY SHOW UP WITH WAR TIME PIN REPAIRS



  6. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by PAUL AYERST View Post
    ALSO MAKE YOU WONDER WHY BADGES LIKE THE GOLD [PARTY BADGES WHERE NOT UPGRADED AS THEY CONTINUALLY SHOW UP WITH WAR TIME PIN REPAIRS
    Well yes, a known fact is that some members had 3 even 4 sets of them. So they were "replaced" often thats for sure. Then again, according to the SSFM announcement papers, those badges were getting lost often too. Maybe it has something to do with the amount of the specific badge that was awarded, and not to forget, the way in which the badge was worn. Who knows, what we supposedly know, is that there was an announcement in 1939 that states the new catch was introduced, and we find this on many M1/120 B badges, like Wims on this thread, so if this was in 1939, and done on the basis that badges were getting lost, then why did M1/120 go back to making a normal pin attachment s few years later. (we dont know exactly when the change happened from Messing to zinc, but it must have been late war, 1942-1944..)
    One possible reason i have, is that it was not possible to solder the new style attachment onto a zinc badge and be sure it held fast. ?

    A big downfall with any unnumbered B-stück badge, is that there will be no indication of how many were made/issued. So we cant pin any specific time period or amount down.

  7. #17
    ONE OTHER THING AS THE WAR PROGRESSED AND ALL MATERIALS BECAME SCARCE THEY WENT BACK TO THE NORMAL CHEAP PINS.



  8. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by PAUL AYERST View Post
    ONE OTHER THING AS THE WAR PROGRESSED AND ALL MATERIALS BECAME SCARCE THEY WENT BACK TO THE NORMAL CHEAP PINS.


    Yes it did all "go to pot" but only really from late 1944 onwards. A bit of a slap in the face though, get a good enamel numbered badge in 1936, and have to accept a zinc painted unnumbered horrible one later..... This is actually the main reason why Party badges appeal to me so much, nothing reflects the rise and fall of the third reich as much as they do, from beautifully made with care and attention to detail in nickel-silver and messing, then later on to a scap of zinc, hastily painted by someone who could`nt care less .... says it all really... from Top to Flop, in only 20 odd years

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    YES SO TRUE!



  10. #20

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    Interesting badge, Jo and Paul. Never saw a late war painted HJ honour award. It has typical Deumer style features on the reverse. Maybe it was made in these crude materials because there was still demand for it. When cities and factories were bomber out, officers still asked for fine dress daggers and sabers. So I guess it was the same for certain medals.

    The special catch has only a very tiny soldering point, so IMO it was out of the question to use it on a zinc based badge.

    Regards, Wim

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