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  1. #91

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    Thought id post these pictures of a small DJ type knife i found recently , no maker and the shots next to a normal HJ knife should give enough size details. Pete,,,,,,,,
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  2. #92

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAUL AYERST View Post
    THIS is probably the best dialog ever on the HJ forum with some very interesting thoughts and invite all members to state their views on the important dibject . Believe me you can not have a discussion like this on any other forum where friendship and civility prevail.

    PAUL
    Well put paul
    My own thoughts are that these were made for children , weve seen in the past childrens helmets/ rifles etc for sale , and i can see these being brought as presents with the child told that when you are older you can join the DJ/HJ and have the real thing, all hypothetical of course , when these hit the market it would have been logical to link them to the DJ/BDM,when i see a picture of one in wear i will eat this post

    Cheers steve

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    Here's another one that has just come up on the Collectors Guild, described as a scarce DJ variant knife. This one is $400 cheaper than the last plain, un-adorned one I saw on another dealers site, but that one was in better condition.

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    Russ

  4. #94

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    Just another quick observation - if the version with the diamond on the scabbard was made specifically for an event or an organisation, it would be logical through the manufacturing process to place the diamond on first, then insert the runners and rivet, thus preventing any paint damage to the rivet area. I believe, if we accept that all of this type seen so far have paint damage at the rivet, then logically it could be concluded they were added as an afterthought for some reason.

    Has anyone seen many with the diamond in the grip plate?

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    Russ

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    Through my email discussions with LTC (Ret) Thomas M. Johnson, I also had some correspondence with Mr Ron Weinand. He has given me permission to post his reply to my questions.

    Before I do that, a reminder to those interested that these knives will be a topic at the upcoming MAX Show Seminar. The show is being held at the Monroe Convention Center, 2-3 October, Monroeville, PA.

    Regards

    Russ


    Dear Russell,
    I have been buying Third Reich militaria from veterans for many years, to be exact over fifty. During this time I have bought four of the "DJ" style Hitler Youth Knives. All were in mint to near mint condition showing no previous use by the Germans.
    Most of the veterans couldn't remember where they found them, but all did state that they were new and unused when they obtained them. All of the ones I found had the HJ Diamond on the scabbard obverse. None were maker marked.
    Now, it is widely known that this style knife WAS available from Solingen manufacturers sans the HJ Diamond and in the same form that we all see from time to time at shows. Some were aluminum hilt and some, especially from Klaas, came with the steel plated hilt. Klaas is KNOWN to have produced this same knife post war in its catalog.
    My belief, based on the number of mint "DJ" knives found and the odd number of "bowie blade style" HJ Knives found from WKC, is that when supplies became limited and the demand for HJ Knives continued, certain Solingen manufacturers just converted remaining supplies to cover the HJ demand with "unofficial" style HJ Knives. I believe that this is what we are encountering. No such thing as a BDM or DJ knife in my opinion.
    Also, other than the Puma Party Day Knife, I am unsure as to the originality of the other group of HJ style knives with embellished blades. I have NEVER bought such a knife from a veteran and don't know of any that came directly out of the veteran's hands to date. This is just an opinion, not cut in stone.
    Ron Weinand

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    Ron's take makes most sense but only four after 50 years of motel buys and where they in fact vet bring backs. They buy allot stuff from walkins they know nothing about.
    Ref the enhanced knives mine came straight out of the vets hands with all his other treasures my first big buy in CALGARY Alberta 1970

    PAUL

  7. #97

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    Thanks for posting this russ
    this is an intresting insight from a well respected collector /historian of TR daggers , and the point regarding Klass daggers being made post war is also of intrest were these maker marked ?

    cheers steve

  8. #98

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    I believe the Klaas knives were maker marked, but I stand to be corrected.

    Ron's take also raises some more questions in my mind. The point I raise has to do with the limited supplies of HJ knives. There are many examples of mint, un-issued HJ knives with, from memory, varying RZM maker control labels on them. So, there must have been a lot of un-issued HJ's around at wars end. Unless some manufacturers were favoured more heavily than others, I am not sure about these being adopted as replacements for a knife that was still available in large numbers from some manufacturers. The same with SA, SS, Luftwaffe and Army daggers - we don't see any significant variations of design style towards the end of production as radical as we see with this one. This take also pre-supposes the knives already existed in an un-adorned state, at this point for reasons still un-known, which I believe to be correct.

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    Russ

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    One other point - if these were issued as replacements for a sanctioned item, I would expect there should be thousands of these knives, with the diamond on the scabbard, still in existence. And with Mr Weinand's vast number of hotel buys and decades of collecting, he has only encountered four of this style, which to me, is a ponderable statistic. I don't take issue with Mr Weinand's opinion, nor anyone else's, just that different theories always raise more questions!

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    Russ

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    You raise some very valid points russ,

    SA/SS Daggers changed from the original marker mark /nickle silver fittings to plated fittings and RZM marked

    2nd lufts to variations in crossguard patterns ? but from what i understand no change in the overall dimensions in any of the above daggers

    It doesnt make sense that you would retool to make a smaller HJ knife due to the lack of materiels as the war went on as youve said there are still early HJ knifes on the market that are as bright as a button,

    steve

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