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  1. #41
    Scott, i would leave the WAF thread alone, the people commenting on it, clearly have no idea what they are on about. For example, this Victorman believes that all opaque HJ diamonds are fake, yet he believes that the fantasy HJ honour knives, with opaque enamel on the bloody pommel, are real? and rare? lol.... sorry but thats too much, maybe they forget what they think is real and why? LOL....

    usefull links below

    Fantasy HJ honour knives/Bayos
    WAF thread on opaque diamonds
    The Muppet Show

  2. #42
    I've just put up a Wiki on the Fahrtenmesser. This info on the opaque diamonds would be a very useful addition if someone would like to add it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metallwarenfabrik View Post
    Scott, i would leave the WAF thread alone, the people commenting on it, clearly have no idea what they are on about. For example, this Victorman believes that all opaque HJ diamonds are fake, yet he believes that the fantasy HJ honour knives, with opaque enamel on the bloody pommel, are real? and rare? lol.... sorry but thats too much, maybe they forget what they think is real and why? LOL....
    Hi Jo,

    Yes your right i,ll leave that WAF thread for now as i,ve said all i can & i,m very thankful to you for all your help & info on this subject,

    Until your new book comes out!!! :)

    Cheers Mac 66.

  4. #44
    Scott, maybe you could throw this one at the Gurus who think opaque red is post war. Two rare early pre-NSF badges, (Frauenorden and Mädchenschaft) from the late 20`s or very early 1930-1931 at best. One has translucent red, the other opaque red....
    and even with the regular NSF badges, the post October 1931 badges, there is a mixture of both translucent and opaque red, thats just a fact.

    Maybe they would also say one is a fake? lol..... we have a saying that goes: Was der Bauer nicht kennt, frisst er nicht...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metallwarenfabrik View Post
    Scott, maybe you could throw this one at the Gurus who think opaque red is post war. Two rare early pre-NSF badges, (Frauenorden and Mädchenschaft) from the late 20`s or very early 1930-1931 at best. One has translucent red, the other opaque red....
    and even with the regular NSF badges, the post October 1931 badges, there is a mixture of both translucent and opaque red, thats just a fact.

    Maybe they would also say one is a fake? lol..... we have a saying that goes: Was der Bauer nicht kennt, frisst er nicht...
    Thanks Jo,

    i,ll keep a note of this for further evidence on opaque enamel for the Non Believers!!

    Regards Mac 66

  6. #46
    I'm adding a section on these diamonds to our HJ knife wiki page and I need a Herman quote or two. Can someone copy and paste a couple here showing his reasons for not liking them please?

  7. #47

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garry View Post
    I'm adding a section on these diamonds to our HJ knife wiki page and I need a Herman quote or two. Can someone copy and paste a couple here showing his reasons for not liking them please?
    Quotes from WAF:


    Quote Originally Posted by Herman on WAF

    I don't collect those pins, but there are some that look very old, so basically, there are 2 possibilities:

    - very late originals
    - very early copies

    Most of the senior badge & pin collectors in Europe seem to avoid them, which is a bad sign...

    But unlike HJ-knifes, production of these pins did not stop in 1942!

    So it is a very different story...


    Maybe at the end of the war 1944-45, the HJ pin factory was bombed and the Germans could not make the dots in the HJ badge anymore... Don't see any reason why they would have changed the design: there is not any strategic material reduction involved... unless it can be prooved that these full reds are not made of copper...

    Best regards,

    Herman


    Quote Originally Posted by Herman from WAF
    Hello Heran,

    On HJ daggers: these is not any historical proof whatsoever that these full reds are period.

    Badges: all senior collectors I know are avoiding them.

    But someone here will certainly tell you that "proof is coming"... in a year or so...

    Best regards,

    Herman
    Quote Originally Posted by Herman on WAF
    Mac,

    What you are trying to tell the collector community is the following:

    At the Hörster factory, now and then a HJ knife assembler said to himself: "This HJ-knife is gonna have a hard time during its lifetime, so I will put in a full red diamond on this one !"

    This way, the assembler was predicting that the knife was going to end up as a beater or low end knife for collecting purposes...

    Now, the same was happening at many other Solingen blade factories: now end then a full red diamond was mounted, predicting that this particular knife would be abused or damaged...

    And this way of producing started as soon as 1936, you seem to believe?

    This is just rediculous, Mac!


    Or maybe, for you, it does not matter if the diamond is original to the HJ-knife?

    If there is a chance that the diamond is a replacement -coming from a period badge- do you consider the HJ-knife to be 100% authentic?

    You seem to accept that -due to the shortage of original knife diamonds- badges are used to upgrade crappy knifes?

    In that case we have a completely different story!

    And I propose to stop this discussion immediately.

    Best regards,

    Herman


    Quote Originally Posted by Herman on WAF
    I do a lot of research on HJ's, Mac, I keep statistics, from every show I attend to, for many, many years now...

    That is how I manage to draw conclusions on features that are typical for certain producers. For instance, the late Hörsters, like shown here, they have unique rivets with very small heads, unlike any other maker! Yours has them to! Many collectors still find them suspicious... but they are 100% OK. Unlike the diamond on your Hörster... it is really not original to the knife... sorry to bring that bad news.

    About the 50%:
    You would be surprised how many HJ knifes -even minty ones- are surfacing with a missing or damaged diamond... I count them on every show!

    On top of that, I add the ones which have an replacement diamond -I do x-ray the knifes ! Lots of original (dagger diamond) replacements! But also many diamonds which were originaly HJ-pins are mounted into quality HJ-knifes!

    Now even if the % of lost, original diamonds was much less than the over 50% I observed so far, than there would still be not enough original diamonds (from daggers!) to repair the low end HJ-knifes.
    That is why fakes and ex-badges (possibly also full reds...) are used on the crappy HJ's.

    Now, is that so difficult to follow and understand?


    That was all for today, from my side anyway...

    Best regards,

    Herman
    Quote Originally Posted by Herman on WAF
    Another try, but wrong again, Mac!

    Talk to someone who does emaille work (which are the HJ diamonds): a dotted diamond is a more advanced technique and is therefore more expensive to produce.

    The early fakers could not spend much money on their copies, because original HJ's itself were not too expensive in the early years of collecting.

    Still today, the cheapest copies have a full red diamond because it costs less to produce those.

    I had explained this already -maybe not on this forum?-

    Some people seem to have a very short memory when it comes to this topic: they keep on repeating the same arguments over and over again, presenting them as being new... and hoping noone will react this time... it is never ending story...

    Hijacking other topics with "the full red story" is another common practice to get attention for this lost case...

    The only objective appears to be: to convince new collectors, so these will buy a bad piece and probably leave the hobby immediately after they found out what they really bought!

    Please, for the future of this great hobby: STOP THESE PRACTICES NOW!

    Best regards,

    Herman

  8. #48
    Thanks Scott

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garry View Post
    Thanks Scott
    Quotes were from WAF Garry ;)

  10. #50
    Oops.. Fixed :)

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