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    Unusual School Marked HJ Fahrtenmesser

    Here is a seemingly unremarkable HJ example marked RZM M7/38 for Paul Seilheimer. No motto as would be appropriate for this later construction messer. What is unusual is the deeply impressed stamping of AUFBAUSCHULE SAULGAU to the reverse body of the blade. I believe the marking stands is for the Aufbauschule für Jungen Saulgau in Baden-Württemberg. The scabbard leather has the often seen impressed LS with Oak Leaf trade mark.

    If anyone has encountered similar knives or has information on this particular institution I would be very interested. Thoughts or comments are most appreciated ....


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    Hi,

    There is another Saulgau-marked knife here: https://www.HJ-research.com/forum/f31...-saulgau-6388/

    More info on the school can be found here (posts 1 and 5): https://www.HJ-research.com/forum/f6/...ermuetze-5810/


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    The national-socialist Aufbauschulen had six years of education after completion of seven years of primary school, and was finished with a degree equal to the high school (Arbitur). In 1936 the former Lehrerbildungsanstalten were abolished and their buildings used for the new Aufbauschulen. In Würtemberg Aufbauschulen were built in Nagold, Nürtingen and Saulgau and later in Künzelsau for boys, and for girls in Markgröningen and Schwabisch Gmund.


    AK-Saulgau-Aufbauschule.jpg

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    (Photo of armband from weitze.net)


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    The LBA were not created until 1940 Henrik. Prior to that they were known as the Aufbaulehrgang, for example, Staatlicher Aufbaulehrgang Ermland (later: Lehrerbildungsanstalt Mehlsack). Saulgau was one of the Deutsche Heimschulen that were introduced on 24.8.1941. Is Aufbauschule another term for Aufbaulehrgang perhaps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garry View Post
    The LBA were not created until 1940 Henrik. Prior to that they were known as the Aufbaulehrgang, for example, Staatlicher Aufbaulehrgang Ermland (later: Lehrerbildungsanstalt Mehlsack). Saulgau was one of the Deutsche Heimschulen that were introduced on 24.8.1941. Is Aufbauschule another term for Aufbaulehrgang perhaps?
    Well, I'm not an expert on this subject, so I'll refrain from further posting on this subject ...

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    Nice one, the mark on the leather strap is LFS, with the F in the oak leaf. It is often a bit obscure. No one knows at this time what the LFS stands for, but presumably the manufacturer of the leather hanger.

    Regards

    Russ

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    Quote Originally Posted by cemifor View Post
    Well, I'm not an expert on this subject, so I'll refrain from further posting on this subject ...
    Well, all I wanted to do was to make the distinction between "Deutsche Aufbauschule" (a type of school that was already in existence when the NS took over in 1933) and the Staatlicher Aufbaulehrgang (later Lehrerbildungsanstalt) which was specifically for teacher training. You seemed to mix up those school types/purposes/times with the Deutsche Heimschule. That's all I was saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RussellM View Post
    Nice one, the mark on the leather strap is LFS, with the F in the oak leaf. It is often a bit obscure. No one knows at this time what the LFS stands for, but presumably the manufacturer of the leather hanger. Regards Russ
    Thanks for your insight Russ. I wonder if it might be for Linden & Funke KG, Iserlohn who made slings for the K98k rifle as well as another leather goods ....?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kriegsmodell View Post
    Thanks for your insight Russ. I wonder if it might be for Linden & Funke KG, Iserlohn who made slings for the K98k rifle as well as another leather goods ....?
    I don't think it is Linden & Funke, as they were metal manufacturers. The sling
    is marked by a leather manufacturer.

    This is the Linden & Funke-symbol (below):

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    The dagger is marked M7/38, which is Paul Seilheimer from Solingen.
    I do not have the time to go through all leather manufacturers to
    find a match!
    Last edited by wilhelm saris; 24th June 2016 at 05:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilhelm saris View Post
    The dagger is marked M7/38, which is Paul Seilheimer from Solingen. I do not have the time to go through all leather manufacturers to find a match
    Yes, thanks. I know the piece was made by Paul Seilheimer and stated as much in the original post.

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