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    Deutsches Jungvolk DJ member with black Belt Buckle!.

    Erly one. First i have seen with that rare buckle
    Looks to be the blackbox with silver rune.

    Enjoy

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    That's a new one to me. Ok, the man wears a tradition stripe on his triangle and he indeed looks of an older age.

    Is the black belt buckle known to anyone else or is any written evidence of this anywhere? I have just checked all my early DJ photos (even pre-
    TR
    , so called Kampfzeit), and nowhere I was able to identify this black buckle.

    Rgds

    Daniel

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    Did think about that. Pic must be from around 1932 ish ..

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    Pic must be later than 35 or when were the tradition stripes introduced? In 32 they even didn't wear triangles yet!

    Rgds

    Daniel

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    Its wear was allowed as of September 30, 1934.
    It is a pity one cannot see a shoulder-strap.
    This was worn not earlier then after July 11, 1935.

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    It's just a theory but I have always thought that these black DJ buckles are very early due to the fact that the DJ was an organisation that was incorporated into the Hitler Youth as opposed to the BDM and
    JM
    which were created specifically to cater for girls within the movement.

    The DJ was problematic for a few years post-1933 but gradually, certain leaders were replaced and things that were distinctively "DJ" like the Kohten and Jurten were quietly done away with.

    The DJ flag was a silver rune on black originally and later became white on black so perhaps these black DJ buckles were a representation of the flag and as such, were one of the things that were quietly phased out in the early to mid-1930s. I don't know but the addition of a black finish seems to make sense when viewed in terms of the flag and the history of the DJ.

    Wim, have you seen any price-lists or other period literature that list these black buckles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garry
    Wim, have you seen any price-lists or other period literature that list these black buckles?


    I cannot remember ever having see this offered. I do not know if my memory
    has "abandoned" me!

    In the earliest Assmann buckle catalogue-pages with buckles from 1933, the
    regular version DJ buckle was included, saying "Vorschriftsmässig gelbe Rune
    auf weissem Schloss" (according to regulation yellow Sigrune upon a white
    buckle). If thinking deep one may conclude they also did sell another version,
    which was not according to regulations. But whatever: it was not shown!!

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    Zip pocket to!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilhelm saris View Post
    I do not know if my memory
    has "abandoned" me!
    You seem fine to me Wim.

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    So how can you tell, If is an originaly black belt, If one should come cross one? No
    RZM
    would be found on it right?

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