Is this a Hitler Youth HJ spade?

[ruslan]

Is this spade in the picture supposed to be HJ Spade?

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[Garry]

Hello,

Size? Any markings other than the manufacturer's name?

See: http://www.hj-research.com/forum/f38/hj-trenching-spade-spaten-your-thoughts-7146/

There were RZM-marked spades for the HJ and DJ and these are the only spades that should be described as "HJ" or "DJ". All other spades that match the description and dimensions given in the October 1933 order can be described as "possibly used by the HJ".

 

[Garry]

Just a quick one in case Mr Snyder ever reads this thread: there was no special spade for the BDM. Also, neither the 1933 order nor the 1936 RZM instructions show that there was a version of the shovel with an integrated screwdriver....

 

[ruslan]

Hello,

Size? Any markings other than the manufacturer's name?

See: http://www.hj-research.com/forum/f38/hj-trenching-spade-spaten-your-thoughts-7146/

There were RZM-marked spades for the HJ and DJ and these are the only spades that should be described as "HJ" or "DJ". All other spades that match the description and dimensions given in the October 1933 order can be described as "possibly used by the HJ".

There is no other marks on it, its size is 13.5*18.5 cm and 44 cm in length.

 

[Garry]

Okay. The design of your spade doesn't match the 1933 version for the HJ and in any case, it's too small. As your spade has no RZM markings (and is too small) it can't be one of the 1936 versions of the spade for HJ / DJ.

I can't read the name of the manufacturer's name on your spade. Could you post it please? Thanks.

 

[ruslan]

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[Garry]

Thanks.

AB&C with the ace of spades design is for Bredt & Co., Witten an der Ruhr. Definitely a wartime manufacturer but as I say, the spade doesn't match the description or size of the HJ and DJ spades listed in the RJF / RZM regulations.

 

[ruslan]

thank you Garry