Fähnleinwimpel of the Deutsches Jungvolk

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Hello,

we had the Germans MFF on this Fähnlein pennants different opinions.
Now I'm the owner asked if I may introduce again the piece here.
The piece is in very good condition but also mirrored.

Look it, what do you think ...

Thank you...

Best regards

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The flag appears period to me from the photos. That being said with these items in hand is always the best method to determine authenticity. Is it the same pennant in the photo? I don't thinks so as the photo shows a double tail on the pennant from what I see. Single and double tails represent different sized units.
 
It's about the originality of the piece , whether it is good or a fake
 
Yes, and with this type of Fähnlein Wimpel being replaced in 1935 the design is even older than that. I would agree with Wim. It looks too immaculate to be that old and although the addition of the runic pattern on one side suggests that this Wimpel was used, it certainly doesn't display any signs of that.
 
Hello Wim and Garry ,

first thanks for the quick reply .
That is also exactly what I said to this flag in the German MFF . The buyer then has always told me it has been found the piece by a specialist in the WAF for good.
That's why I have it here again presented after consultation with the buyer .


Best regards
 
Hello
for me too ,the white is too ...white!and the metal hook is perfect whithout rust.
ALL FLAGS i have see are not totaly white because of dust and UV.
bertrand
 
Is the shown flag from this forum, the same one as shown at WAF?
Look at the material. Too me it looks different.

HJ-forum: look at the coarse material, especially well
visible with the black!
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WAF: look at the quite smooth material from
this flag with the black, as shown by "Lothringen" at WAF. By the
way the white is here not so white and shows yellowish stains.....

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Or is the difference caused by the way of photographing??
 

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Hallo
Hello

I am the owner of the banner!
in both forums found to be good!

mfg

Link zum WAF:

LINK zum Militariafundforum:

Hi there,

I don't see any convincing arguments for the item on those threads. Many of the posters are not sure. The most positive of them are maxx, the guy who enabled the sale of the Wimpel to you and OFW who I assume is the flag expert you mentioned. You seem to have purchased the Wimpel based mainly on what OFW said over on WAF and where he showed a page from a Bernhard Richter catalogue containing a Wimpel with corner panel, without pockets and without corner ties. The same page from the 1933 Richter catalogue looks exactly the same by the way. Anyway, OFW seems to compare the Bernhard Richter Wimpel directly with yours before saying that your Wimpel is mid-1930s and fine "IMO". He seems to be basing that on the Assmann clip and a catalogue which shows a different item. I'm not personally convinced by that reasoning.

The Wimpel looks good (too good actually), has the correct dimensions, convincing clips but... an authentic 1935* Fähnleinwimpel will be 81 years old this year. Based on the photos here yours doesn't seem to show any signs that it has reached anything close to that age and that is what worries me. I have owned a few Wimpel and flags in the past (including an early swallowtail DJ Jungenschaftswimpel) and it was obvious that they they were old things. They had little tears, scuffs, general signs of use and that typical smell of old cloth. I can't smell your Wimpel of course but I don't see any of the other stuff other than slight damage to the tail. Perhaps you just got extremely lucky with this one and I hope that's the case but it really does look new.


*This type of Wimpel was phased out in 1935.
 
Hallo
Hello

I am the owner of the banner!
in both forums found to be good!

mfg

Link zum WAF: www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=851406

LINK zum Militariafundforum: DJ Wimpel/Fahne - Militaria Fundforum
Hi.
So because 2 posters on the WAF comment that it is original, that's the "evidence"?
And why forget that on the MFF questions were raised as well, to which no answer ever came - except the same answer as you write here - "...found to be good at WAF and MFF.."
In fact thats all you seemed to have been doing, chanting the same "Good on MFF, good on WAF"

Now, i have a very important question for you:
You wrote:
danke dir für deine Meinung, du weisst ja das die vom anerkannten Fahnenexperten aus dem WAF stammt !

Pray tell, who are these people, and why are they anerkannt? Who vouches for them? What research have they offered that has made them anerkannt?
Who are they are anerkannt by? Yourself, because they say nice things about your items? Anerkannt by the general community for outstanding and factually correct research/information in the past?

Because, all i can see from the WAF, is that two individuals commented "In my opinion..." and "I like it". Thats all. Are these the people who are anerkannt? Please, lift the vial, who is anerkannt?
 
So you go from a fake?
yes it's the same pennant of Lorraine!

if you give me it confirms that it is ne fake I'll tell Lorraine and will send it back!

I want to have a perfect piece in my collection!

mfg Ullix
 
Hello
for me too ,the white is too ...white!and the metal hook is perfect whithout rust.
ALL FLAGS i have see are not totaly white because of dust and UV.
bertrand

I see it as you ...
Here a pic of a very well embedded and almost new DJ flag ...

best regards

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Hi collectors,
First OF all i have No problem to refund the buyer.
nevertheless, I have to add that I am still not convinced.
We can resume your argument as "too MINT to be original".
I would Like to say to the buyer that when we want perfect piece we must learn before.
Most OF my FJ collection are In Stone MINT condition (No rust, perfect Colors...) and maybe fake if I follow your comments !!!!
 
Here are pics taken by MY camera few week ago.
White cloth is not so white than pics shown on this forum !
you will easily see discoloration ... For people who want to see :001_cool:
owner can Also make a UV test !?

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Hi, i cant comment on the flag, i have no idea at all, i just wanted to know who the people were who were anerkannt? From my exp. on the WAF, at least in the forums i was visiting, i didn't really see or hear of anyone who was anerkannt?
But it does look like there are many different opinions on the item though..on a few fora, so from that point of view it would be interesting to see who these people were who were anerkannt, and what advice they gave as to the flag being genuine or fake? Thats really all i was interested in knowing.
Cloth items and the way they undergo a "fehrdiagnose" on militaria fora has always been a mystery to me.
 
Falco, what did you mean when you said "mirrored" ?
i expect you don't mean the rune HAGALL is not on the good side ....
many comments already tented to make you understand that you make a mistake ...
period pics, period book, other pieces known as original !
what do you need more ?

And what will you do In case this forum go In my direction ?
Will you open your own forums In order to read what you want ?!?!?
i am more than open to discussion and That is why I was the FIRST to list this flag on a forum. BUT I have my limit !
 
...Stone MINT condition (No rust, perfect Colors...) and maybe fake if I follow your comments !!!!

No one here has said that the Wimpel is fake because there is no obvious indication or characteristic that would show that to be true. The condition is however remarkable for something that will be a minimum of 81 years old this year and this is what strikes the viewer immediately.


Pray tell, who are these people, and why are they anerkannt? Who vouches for them? What research have they offered that has made them anerkannt?

Yes, as Jo says, who are these experts? This is what I was getting at in my earlier post. OFW is the expert mentioned specifically as being the main reason for the buyer to take the Wimpel. However, I see nothing in his post on WAF that would constitute a convincing argument.
 
No one here has said that the Wimpel is fake.

There were just some comments. This must be possible. Otherwise do
not show images!
Remind these flags were available in two materials: wool and cotton.
This is mentioned in some sales cataloque. And I agree with Garry
about the condition.
In my opinion this flag was not used in the open in the old days or
hardly used (maybe a few times only), but got is discoloring only due
to laying somewhere.
 
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