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  1. #11
    I consider "very early" to be the couple of years immediately following Hitler's appointment as chancellor in 1933 - this being the period when uniforms and equipment were standardised and in which RZM control of manufacturing, and therefore general uniformity, began to bite. A multi-part HJ flag with printed roundel is not a printed flag i.e. it is not a single piece of material with the design of the HJ flag printed onto it. Just wanted to make clear what I meant.

  2. #12
    Excellent post Wim. I have never seen a 100% printed (not including examples with a separate center with printed insignia) HJ pennant or flag I personally would spend money on in my experience.

  3. #13

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    Do not misunderstand me: the seperate middle-parts were the swastika symbol
    upon white (as in use for the SA-armband). Nothing is said about any printed
    stuff for the HJ, other then the earlier mentioned armband (post 10).
    These round seperate discs with printed swastika were available in the sizes 10.0 cm
    (for armbands and bike pennants), 15.0 cm (for cars), 20.0 cm(for a flag 25.0 x 35.0 cm),
    35.0 cm (for a flag 40 x 55 cm)and 50.0 cm (for a flag 60.0 x 80.0 cm).
    Unit flags were not mentioned to be the printed form.

  4. #14
    great education thanks this simple question has blossomed into one of the better threads we have had in some time thanks all for the great info backed up with written evidence which cannot be denied . I see flags made of linen in my collection which can be classified being silk screened , to me printed is an ink transfer to a paper like material would this be correct

  5. #15
    @Garry & Wim, yes i would also consider "early" to be the first 10 years or so, up until 1934-1935. And not the last 10 years (1935-1945), or the very end of these years as many like to say, 1944-1945 - Late War.
    I dont think i have ever seen a fully screen printed HJ flag at all, pendant or unit or otherwise....

  6. #16

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    What a difference a period of about nine months can make for an armband:

    In the official uniform-regulation from the Reichsjugendführung from January 15, 1934 (Bekleidung und Ausrüstung der HJ,
    Amtliche Bekleidungsvorschrift der RJF der NSDAP
    ) on page 81 about the HJ-Armbinde it is noted with the manufacturing-regulation:
    the armband is in three parts, red-white-red with a black swastika upon a white field. The red and black (swastika) are printed (aufgedruckt).
    The armband is mentioned to be from cotton. The wearing of armbands from cloth, which is a woolish material, was not allowed.
    So, in its beginnings official armbands were the printed version.

    Nine months later: Mitteilungsblatt der Reichszeugmeisterei, number 26 from November 24, 1934 a new regulation about the manufacturing of the
    HJ-armband was published on page 5:
    Material cotton, three parts (red-white-red) with a black swastika upon a white field. The white stripes, white field and black swastika are sewn on.
    The manufacturing of printed cloth and flannel armbands for the HJ was not allowed (Die Anfertigung von gedruckten Armbinden für die HJ ist verboten).
    So, since late 1945/early 1935 the new armbands were the sewn version.

    The same was ordered for the SA and political leaders. For them a cotton (Fahnen-Cretonne) or woolish (Original-Spiegeltuch) armband were in force!
    Last edited by wilhelm saris; 20th June 2013 at 12:03 PM.

  7. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by wilhelm saris View Post
    In the official uniform-regulation from the Reichsjugendführung from January 15, 1934
    Wim, about 2 years ago on here there was a thread and this was mentioned. This is what made me look in the past for an indication of printed HJ armbands, instead of in the future around 1944-45 like most were saying. I interpreted their saying that printed armbands were forbidden to mean that by then there must have already been some by 1934, otherwise why mention an item that has not been made or sold yet.

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    What happened two years ago, is a long time ago. I can't remember, but I checked the Mbl.RZM information.
    The printed armbands were not mentioned anymore in later years (the war).

    What was said in September 1944 in the Mbl.d.RZM was that the cloth needed for flags and armbands was not
    available while no raw materials were availabe (Gewebe zur Herstellung von Fahnen, Flaggen, Armbinden
    können auf weiteres nicht mehr zugeteilt werden, da für sogenannte Artikel keine Rohstoffe zur Verfügung
    gestellt werden können
    ). The subject was not returned anymore!

  9. #19
    Great information as always Wim. This thread puts to rest many rumors and much "collector lore" and assumption in my opinion. Excellent work gentlemen.

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