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    HJ Triangle - " RJF " with Traditionslitze ???


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    Hi Steve,

    Wim Saris has some info on these in his book on page 539. I have essentially the same sources that he used and so can't add anything new on the subject. Very difficult to compare this triangle against other examples of RJF triangles with Traditionslitze of course and in any case, there is no available order/regulation that describes this particular item in sufficient detail. My gut feeling is that your friend has an authentic triangle but I look forward to hearing other opinions.

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    According to the Saris reference page 539 "No specific manufacturing regulations were ever published by the RZM regarding this particular triangle. The book does not show this pattern either. I would be very cautious of items like this. Non standard pattern and probably expensive. For the me I would stay with known and documented period examples above question.

    Edit: Replied at the same time as Garry.

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    CAN'T HELP LIKING THIS ONE I HAVE A VERY SIMILAR NPEA SCHOOL TRIANGLE BUT AS DARRIN SAYS CAUTION IS NEEDED WITH THESE NON TRADITIONAL TYPES

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    Hello,
    There was only one pattern of the Gebietsdreieck : machine woven (...and that's "the" collector's chance). If Pimpf or Reichsjugendführer, the same for everyone ! Of course, outside of Germany, the local HJ did it alone and so machine embroidery or even hand embroidery exist. MHO !
    Best regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gefolgschaft View Post
    According to the Saris reference page 539 "No specific manufacturing regulations were ever published by the RZM regarding this particular triangle. The book does not show this pattern either. I would be very cautious of items like this. Non standard pattern and probably expensive. For the me I would stay with known and documented period examples above question.
    See my book page 535.

    I do not like the shown triangle at all. The embroidered letters are poorly done. Compare the letters from the triangle with the letters from the worn triangles.
    The back reminds me in some ways of insignia that was reproduced in the 1970's on orders of some Dutch dealer's.
    But who knows the one or the other person from the RJF had made a version on own costs. The Litze is neither the official pattern!!
    And as debertex says: officially it should be machine-woven, but we all know orders were there to neglect.

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    Here is another doubtful triangle in which I do not trust :

    rjf_tri_1.jpg rjf_tri_2.jpg

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    agreed. Not for a second!

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    Thank you. The fear I had already.
    That is, stay away from these triangles.

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    Here are 2 triangles from my collection that are accepted and proven originals. RJF-Gefolgschaft, RJF-Stab
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