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    okay guys,
    the hitler youth
    1. a great organisation where kids learned new skills,made new friends learned to work as a team,and had fun in general including trips and national and regional games

    or

    2. a brain-washing system where kids where duped and led to believe what they where told to believe, and even though it was unknown to them in training to become future third reich soldiers and cannon fodder

    DISCUSS

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    This is going to be a dull answer but there were elements of both scenarios in my opinion.

    I see your second point happening from 1939 when the state forced children to join the HJ. Von Schirach always resisted the press-ganging of children because he wanted children to see joining the HJ as a matter of honour and he continued with that stance despite the first youth law in 1936 but the 2nd youth law was the one which I think marked the divide between your first and second scenarios. After 1939 it was a different organisation.

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    Thats a hard one stu ,
    I did read somewhere that the boy scouts were banned in germany in the 1930s and a lot of what the scouts did was integrated into the HJ (no1) added to this was paramilitary training (no2) and although from the pictures we all post it appears that they were all having a great time i feel their leaders did look at them as another fighting arm of the TR ,

    steve

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    yes agree with Garry both nr 1 and nr 2

    Hans

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    so where the kids aware of this when they joined after say 1940, where they joining in the hope of one day becoming a soldier or where they still kids just wanting to have fun.
    remember they where being taught shooting and other basic training type exercises well before 1940

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garry View Post
    This is going to be a dull answer but there were elements of both scenarios in my opinion.

    I see your second point happening after 1939 when the state forced children to join the HJ. Von Schirach always resisted the press-ganging of children because he wanted children to see joining the HJ as a matter of honour and he continued with that stance despite the first youth law in 1936 but the 2nd youth law was the one which I think marked the divide between your first and second scenarios. After 1939 it was a different organisation.
    My thoughts too , Im with Garry

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    I understand that during 1940 von schirach organized the evacuation of 2.5 million children from cities that were threatned by the bombing raids, so he certainly had childrens wellbeing at heart,

    steve

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    Yes of course it is both. I mean, kids are still getting brainwashed today with product placement, their peers, television telling them who to be and how to think and what to buy and soforth, but I guess the Third Reich took it to the next level.

    Also, in my humble opinion a HJ camp is no more of a brainwashing exercise than a church camp. Sorry if that's out of line, but it's my honest opinion.
    Last edited by PatBateman; 10th July 2009 at 06:46 AM. Reason: another thought

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatBateman View Post
    Yes of course it is both. I mean, kids are still getting brainwashed today with product placement, their peers, television telling them who to be and how to think and what to buy and soforth, but I guess the Third Reich took it to the next level.

    Also, in my humble opinion a HJ camp is no more of a brainwashing exercise than a church camp. Sorry if that's out of line, but it's my honest opinion.
    How true that is. We are subjected to more propaganda today than even Goebbel's could have dreamed of but no-one says anything.

    I tell you something, my boy is nearly two and the only thing that really interests him when the television is on are the advertisements. When he hears them he breaks into a baby trot and within a split second he's in front of the TV and is totally transfixed. Honestly, I sit there watching him and I'm quite worried. It's like he's seeing something we adults can't see. I don't even think this is tinfoil hat stuff. I'm convinced that advertisers are targetting very small children in order to get products locked in before the children realise what's going on.

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    I think both points made are true,but we have to look at it in context of that time.first if you are bought with nothing else than national socialisme then that is all you know.Another point is that if you are a young boy and where in the HJ you had an advantage you where respected and where looked upon.Humans are creatures of habbit so if the only thing you have heared over and over again that fighting and dying for your führer and country well thats what you are going to do.In my opinion that is what we see nowadays with the suicide bombings because all that they have been thaught is that dying for your land and religion is glorious and you will reciece and award if you do so.Just my 2 cents here

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