Hitler Youth and Jungvolk shooting badges by maker

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On the market are very many copies of the HJ shooting badge. I want to open a post which facilitates by different fingerprints or marks of different manufacturers can be posted to recognize here. It is particularly important that the originality of the pieces is released. It can be set also copies or unsolved cases. Please, this also described as such!Am Markt sind sehr viele Kopien der HJ Schiessabzeichen .



Ich möchte einen Beitrag eröffnen der das Erkennen erleichtert indem hier verschiedene Fingerabdrucke oder Erkennungszeichen der verschiedenen Hersteller gepostet werden können. Es ist besonders wichtig, dass die Originalität der Stücke geklärt ist. Es können natürlich auch Kopien oder ungeklärte Fälle eingestellt werden. Bitte, diese aber auch als solche bezeichnen!
 
HJ-Scharfschützenabzeichen
RZM-Code: M1/102
My Collection
100/% genuine

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HJ-Schiessabzeichen
RZM-Code: M1/77
My Collection
100/% genuine

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HJ-Meisterschützenabzeichen
RZM-Code: M1/63
My Collection
unclear (Fake?)

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HJ-Meisterschützenabzeichen
RZM-Code: M1/63
My Collection
unclear (Fake?)

Painted HJ-Scharfschütze?

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Cast or corrosion?

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DJ-Schiessabzeichen
RZM-Code: M1/103
My Collection
100/% genuine

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HJ_Collector said:
HJ-Scharfschützenabzeichen
RZM-Code: M1/102
My Collection
100/% genuine

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Sorry, M1/102 is a known fake, this badge is fake not genuine.
 
The diamond is a separate part - another badge, if you will, and should not be used to judge anything right now. Far more important is, like i already suggested - that you first take a detailed look at how the badge was made.
How it was struck, how the rohling was sheared out from the grundrohling, what base metal was used and how it was finished (coated, gilded)

The basics are, ALL of these marked M1/102 and M1/14, are fake! This is known and has been discussed on various forums for years now.
Let me also add, any thread like you are trying to start here, needs clear images. Blurred images of varying sizes of badges from around the net are not going to get you anywhere.
 
The silver M1/102 Scharfschütze are all fake? First I've heard of this. Certainly the 102s with the malformed "1" are questionable.
 
Garry said:
The silver M1/102 Scharfschütze are all fake? First I've heard of this. Certainly the 102s with the malformed "1" are questionable.
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Hi Garry, yes, there are no genuine accepted versions of either M1/102 or M1/14 about of these at all, only fakes.
 
Gerold, you really need to start at a certain point with good clear images, and take it from there. There are just too many of these about all being sold as genuine - with hardly any research. Below is an example, a fake by Souval, but also still sold as genuine (by, for example eMedals.com - LINK)



And, on the other thread the "sunken enamel" was mentioned? I think i have found a good example of (what is meant by) this here LINK and below.
If you actually own the Shooting badges, then just focus on one part, and try and build a library of "those parts" - a good basis, a good start.

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Garry said:
Certainly the 102s with the malformed "1" are questionable.
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The images the OP provided of the MM show that it is not period tooled.
ANY minute markings of the reverse of badges like this, with perfectly rounded tips on all the letters/numbers, is not period. We only find the working die being tooled like this long after, on fakes from the mid-late-1970s and on.
Period are like the M1/77 shows in this thread.

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I also took a few close-ups of these rounded tips under the scope Here.
 

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My new lens comes next week !
The M1 /102 comes from an HJ leader estate. I can not imagine that it is a copy!
 
HJ_Collector said:
My new lens comes next week !
The M1 /102 comes from an HJ leader estate. I can not imagine that it is a copy!
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You cannot challenge detailed imagery, and facts concluded from many detailed analysis of exactly these items, on the basis of where you acquired your item from alone.
Whether you chose to "believe" that research or not, is up to you. It is not my job to convince you of anything. I simply research, and present the facts. If you do not agree with my research and facts gained from the research, then you need to bring much more to the debate that just a "vet story" as you are.
This is not the way to go, and not a path i intend on walking down again..and again...and again. I enjoy the researching, but i don`t enjoy getting into arguments over it from people who don`have more to bring to the debate that a vet tale.

edit: This thread shows many modern dies, amongst them a reverse for M1/25 (see eMedals link above) as well as both obverse and reverse die for the HJ Meisterklasse badges marked M1/120 with large wreath!
 
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DJ-Schiessabzeichen
RZM-Code: M1/128
My Collection
100/% Fake

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Interesting. Like Garry, I thought some of the M1/102's had a chance. Then we have two fake versions of these: the ugly ones with the horrible maker marks and the ones with a better appearance.


Regards, Wim
 
Now better pic!


HJ-Meisterschützenabzeichen
RZM-Code: M1/63
My Collection
unclear (Fake?)

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HJ-Scharfschützenabzeichen
RZM-Code: M1/102
My Collection
100/% genuine/Jo Rivet say no!

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M1/ 63

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