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  1. #11

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    The decals in post #5 are readily available from many US dealers. There are also photos available of just the HJ diamond on helmets as well as being placed below the standard decals.
    The helmet in post #1 appears to be an M35 helmet with the rolled rim. If it is, that's the first time I have seen those decals on a combat helmet. But it doesn't surprise me. As I said, at the end of the war there really wasn't anyone around to enforce decal regulations. This can be seen by the large number of single and double decal helmets still being worn.
    Last edited by Deputy; 25th September 2012 at 10:22 PM.

  2. #12
    Hi Deputy,

    The only metal helmets which can be conclusively shown to have had HJ decals during the TR are the HJ fire helmets and not even that was across the board. I'm not accusing you of it but I think that we should always be wary of allowing the late-war period to act as a "catch-all" for any and all weirdness encountered today. It is going to require proof before anything meaningful can be said about the presence of HJ decals on Wehrmacht helmets.

  3. #13

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garry View Post
    Hi Deputy,

    The only metal helmets which can be conclusively shown to have had HJ decals during the TR are the HJ fire helmets and not even that was across the board. I'm not accusing you of it but I think that we should always be wary of allowing the late-war period to act as a "catch-all" for any and all weirdness encountered today. It is going to require proof before anything meaningful can be said about the presence of HJ decals on Wehrmacht helmets.
    I'm not trying to spread rumors or misinformation. I am just saying that just because you don't have photos or written regulations saying that the decals were permitted or installed, doesn't mean they WEREN'T installed. It simply means you don't have proof that you find acceptable of them being installed. Late war WAS part of the war. So you can't just dismiss it as not happening just because it won't fit into current "accepted" definitions for what was and wasn't installed. Were they authorized? Probably not. Were they installed? You can't say definitely one way or the other. I was in the US Army in Vietnam (1968-69) and the stuff that was used that was "unauthorized" or "not approved" was huge. It ranged from weapons to patches and uniform equipment. There were rules that ATTEMPTED to regulate this use, but in a combat zone, it was next to impossible to enforce. I see this same situation in Germany and pretty much every other country that was involved in wars. Soldiers in the field will do all sorts of things to keep up their morale. The refusal to remove the SS emblems from helmets after they were banned is a perfect example of this in Germany.

  4. #14
    I'm not accusing you of anything and no offence was intended. I think I said that in the above post. I agree with you, of course, that procedures may not have been followed to the letter as the war progressed but my approach is to look at the available evidence first and I'm guessing that you are no different. Speculation always comes second to that for me. The "late-war" scenario has been abused to the point where even blatant fakes sometimes get the benefit of the doubt so I'm always wary when I hear it being bandied about in lieu of concrete information.

  5. #15
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    I'm not trying to spread rumors or misinformation.
    Let`s hope not. Welcome back, it`s been nearly 2 years .. or not?

  6. #16
    BEEN AT THIS SINCE THE LATE 50s, Never have seen a real HJ decal ed helmet and do not expect to. These are fodder for our HJ axe dealers and nothing more IMO

  7. #17

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garry View Post
    I'm not accusing you of anything and no offence was intended. I think I said that in the above post. I agree with you, of course, that procedures may not have been followed to the letter as the war progressed but my approach is to look at the available evidence first and I'm guessing that you are no different. Speculation always comes second to that for me. The "late-war" scenario has been abused to the point where even blatant fakes sometimes get the benefit of the doubt so I'm always wary when I hear it being bandied about in lieu of concrete information.
    Then we are cool and in agreement.

  8. #18

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jo Rivett View Post
    Let`s hope not. Welcome back, it`s been nearly 2 years .. or not?
    Sad to say, but yes, it's been a while. I've had to do some major computer mods and in the process lost many of my bookmarks. Glad I got an e-mail reply from Gary that led me here. I missed this place.

  9. #19

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAUL AYERST View Post
    BEEN AT THIS SINCE THE LATE 50s, Never have seen a real HJ decal ed helmet and do not expect to. These are fodder for our HJ axe dealers and nothing more IMO
    I have also never seen a no-hitter pitched in baseball (and I watch baseball a lot). That doesn't mean they don't exist. ;)

  10. #20
    IT IS NOW 2014 and I am sure by now we would have seen one, anyhow keep looking

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