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I was mailed and send photographs about a cap, about which it was said to be a
HJ service cap patterned for the DLV.

In regulations nothing is said about this color for the HJ (anyway I cannot find any
information), above all with a black piping. Khaki with a black piping is possible,
due to the Oberbann-color of black!
Personally I am giving ear to the voluntary labour service (the FAD, which was active
before the RAD was instituted). And someone put onto it the DLV wing, to make it an
interesting cap.

Is anyone able to give a solution. Maybe Garry? Is it real or is it pure fantasy and so fake?

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I am not sure , I have a short SA style shirt with belt ramps made of the same material and the same color , I was told it is early DLV .
 
Yes, the DLV did wear a gray-blue jacket and tunic, but not from this
material (as far as the 1935 regulation tells us). The visored cap with
this should have a black visor and a mohair cap band.

From 1934 announcements:

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I don't see anything in my stuff that would show a HJ connection Wim. As you know, we're looking at pre-April 1937 for this being a DLV cap as it was dissolved at that point. I did notice that HH sold one these caps but in a different configuration in auction 67u (November 2013 - item 9308):

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HH said:
Mützenkörper, Besatzband und Schirm aus blauem Köper, schwarzer Deckelvorstoß, hellgraues Leinenfutter mit schwarzem Aufdruck "Vorschriftsmäßige Wehrsport-Mütze", Schweißleder aus Ersatzmaterial. Feinzinkeffekten, schwarz gelackter dreiteiliger Lederriemen. Größe 55.

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Thanks, looks largely the same structure, but the overall
configuration of the insignia was not ever worn as such by
the DLV.
One could eventually have warned HH, but they are the
"all-knowing" and hardly do accept it when one says it is
bogus!

I am not at all all-knowing and so my question about the
cap! Checked my early DLV information and nothing is
said about a cap with cloth covered visor. I still stick to
my opinion it is an early FAD cap for one of the many
organizations involved:

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Hi Wim,

well, with your wealth of knowledge and with you being suspicious about this cap I would be worried if I were the owner. If there is a connection to the FAD I'm sure you'll find it :thumb:
 
No result yet. I checked the many FAD photographs, but do not see
a cap which is as the shown ones here. Who knows the caps are from
other political organizations, other then the NSDAP.

I remember the color grey was worn, but out-of-heart I do not know
who did!! Could be Austrian perhaps? Checked briefly and for example
the "Wehrverein Lützow" did wear grey in about 1929!
 
For me, it is only an early DLV cap and there is no relationship with the HJ.
Many collectors confuse this badge with the HJ.
 
The DLV did not have such caps at all. Anyway not such a thing is
being mentioned in the regulations from 1933 through 1935 and later.
By putting a DLV-wing badge onto a cap, it does not make the cap DLV!
Further give me an explanation for the black piping.....

Come with some evidence Widukind and I may consider your thoughts.
 
I did some checking about a black piping and it was worn by those
from the "Deutsche Luftfahrt". Their caps always do have a black visor.
The material for the cap is the heavier blue-grey cloth.

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The same black piping is being mentiond in the regulations:
Bestimmungen über die Bekleidung der Deutschen Luftfahrt
from November 4, 1933, section "Motorflieger", page 15.
Later this color was also in use by the German airforce.

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Caps from the DLV also did have the black visor, but NO
colored piping and their cloth also was the heavier product.
Nowhere the cloth is being mentioned as with the two so-
called DLV caps, starting this thread.

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The shown material is taken from volume 2 from the Bender-
headgear-series, published in 1992. So far the black piping and
the material for the caps.

Claiming the black piping to be for Oberbann 5 from the HJ
is somewhat exaggerated and based upon no actual and dated
information at all!
 

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