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  1. #11

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    The photo's in no way are Austria. As menioned the number did not exist in Austria,
    not anyway in 1936.

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    Is his collar Spiegel showing Sturm/Standarte? I only ask because according to the reference, there was an SA-Standarte 89 in Vienna in 1934 (mentioned in Österreichs militärisches Potential im März 1938 By Erwin Steinböck).

    Other references for Standarte 89:

    1931-2, SA-Standarte 89 (Wismar) - Statisten in Uniform: die Mitglieder des Reichstags 1933-1945 Joachim Lilla, Martin Döring, Andreas Schulz 2004

    1938, SA-Standarte 89 (Schwerin) - Corpora ethnographica online: Strategien der Digitalisierung kultureller ... edited by Holger Meyer, Christoph Schmitt, Stefanie Janssen, Alf-Christian Schering)

    1939, Sturm 32/89 (Friedrich Just) is located in Dassow, Mecklenburg (Das Archiv; Nachschlagewerk für Politik, Wirtschaft, Kultur, Issues 61-63 1939).

    So, Mecklenburg mainly but with the exception of that austrian Standarte in 1934. As I say though, I know next to nothing about the SA so just pulling out references.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garry View Post
    Is his collar Spiegel showing Sturm/Standarte? I only ask because according to the reference, there was an SA-Standarte 89 in Vienna in 1934 (mentioned in Österreichs militärisches Potential im März 1938 By Erwin Steinböck).

    However, in 1939, Sturm 32/89 (Friedrich Just) is located in Dassow, Mecklenburg (Das Archiv; Nachschlagewerk für Politik, Wirtschaft, Kultur, Issues 61-63 1939).

    As I say though, I know next to nothing about the SA so this all might mean zip in terms of the location for BlackWatch1's photos.
    Wow. Thank you Garry for your hard work researching these photos! I only wish I could get a better view of the collar tab. I cropped the photo and then used Smart Sharpen. I then converted the image to a negative for a different perspective. I will try again and see if I can accomplish something more useful. Charles.

  4. #14
    No probs Charles. It would certainly appear to be the case that there was an SA-Standarte 89 in Vienna in 1934 but as Wim and those references say, that number was also used prior to and after that in Mecklenburg. The tab on the photo certainly does look like "89".

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    Any help?
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    I would definitely say that that is "89".

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    There still is an interesting issue here as far as that armband. The other proposed Flemish have a different shape as far as the rune. I have seen a few of the armbands like the boy is wearing on the original posted photo, but only 1 made just like the flemish one.

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    The one in the photo originally shown is most likely this type. It is a BeVo construction. There is also as I'm sure a lot of you have seen the regular HJ made like these, and the NSDAP armbands which are earlier before I believe the RZM stopped the production of them. Compare the rune once again. This one is much more extended than the flemish type. So there is something going on as far as being earlier with these IMO

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  9. #19
    So does this photo absolutely prove the use and wear of the Sig Rune armband by German DJ members? I ask as the owner has listed the item on Ebay using this descriptor:

    1933 PROOF THAT THE SIG RUNE ARMBAND WAS USED BY THE DEUTSCHES JUNGVOlk!"

    "This group of Photos proves that the Sig Rune armband was used by the Hitler Youth's junior organization the Deutsches Jungvolk in Germany. The first two photos show brothers in 1933. The first shows the youngest in the DJ and the second the older brother in the HJ. The following three photos show the brothers and their father(?)three years later. All photographs are guaranteed original. The Sig Rune DJ armband has been believed to of been only worn by the Flemish HJ but this is hard evidence that it was used for a time in Germany and would be a jewel in any Hitler Youth/Deutsches Jungvolk/BDM collection! I scanned these using a low resolution and the red text on the images are not actually on the photographs themselves."





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    I woold like to see a old document (before the end of the war in 1945)
    where the sigrune armband is being mentioned for German DJ.
    I checked various regulations and I can't find any indication from 1933
    or a later date! Is it just a guess from the one or other person?

    Would also like to know where it is noted the RZM stopped manufacturing
    specific armbands?

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