Good day Gents,
finally a topic which falls into my area, which is rare enough. First of all I cannot see clearly the image displayed in the first post since I am not a full member. I hope I'm at least still allowed to answer in threads. However, I will make the effort and will see what happens when I press "Post Quick Reply".
Where should I start, and please forgive that I just think loudly without having much written proof for anything.
'Why should someone make an armband artificially hard to sell by adding the blue ribbons' was the
first of my thoughts. Especially, when he would have gotten a good money for his standard armband and he's not selling some rare version of badge which half of the collector's world was hoping to see since decades. It is an armband for 100 Euro tops.
Second thought: "Is this a ripped-off RZM tag beside the strange stamp?". I was under the belief the RZM tags started a bit later and every non-HJ youth organisation would have been long long incorporated in the HJ by this point of time.
Third thought: "Marine-Jugend as 'stand-alone' is a term which was mainly used post war. The pre-33 term was more like 'Marine=Jugend=Gruppe", "J.Gr. M.V. [town's name]", etc etc. Not to forget the fairly common cap tally "MARINE - JUGEND D.M.B." as generic tally for youth groups within the post war 'Deutscher Marine Bund' organisation.
And then I started to dig a little a came across a photo (dated 1928) in my collection showing a group of youngsters of the Marine Verein Hameln. The photo is at home, a scan on my harddrive which I carry with me. When I zoomed it up it turns out the photo is not really of studio portrait quality but allowed the conclusion the pennant on the cap badge is similar and they definately wear the shiny cap tally "MAR. JUGEND HAMELN" while others wear pretty old looking "MAR. JUGEND KAMERADSCHAFT HAMELN". It can be assumed the first superceeded the Kameradschaft tally.
I do have a few dated photographs of boys in naval uniform, which fall into the assimilation period. In particular I have one of the Marine Verein Worms, who still wears his old gold on black tally but has already the HJ armband. He doesn't have any blue ribbons.
If we talk football, that's 2:1 for being a genuine armband ... if someone could explain the observation of the ripped-off RZM tag I would be not to anxious about the arm band. Some local leader of the Holzminden naval association might have had decided to put the bloody blue ribbons on the armband to distinct members who still have to sign up the HJ registration form but wear the armband already (since it was a UNIFORM) and the others (without blue ribbons) who joined voluntarily the MHJ and which still have to sign up for it but wear the armband already.
Again, please accept this only as "thinking loudly". Attached the extraction of my Hameln photo.
Rgds
Daniel
P.S.: After WW1 there were youth groups in nearly every single naval association. The aforementioned Marine Jugend of Hameln was founded in 1924, f.e. . However, it was 1928/29 when most of these little groups became organised in the BDMV. And with the parent associations in the BDMV they also dragged the youth gropus in there as well. Obviously the Worms "unit" must have taken a different course into the MHJ.
P.S.2: The second extraction I have attached is a studio portrait of a boy in the "M.J.A. HARBURG B.D.M.V.". The tallies were white lettering on blue ribbon - I'm quite convinced these were also the colours the MHJ had chosen for their tallies since the "look" had been already established and chosen suitable for naval youth as clear distinction to the gold-on-black tallies of the active Navy.
P.S.3: I hope you can see anything at all on the attached images since the uploaded file sizes look pretty small.
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