Motor-HJ Overseas Cap. What do you think?

[Juliux]

Motor-HJ Overseas Cap. What do you think?

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[crack]

It's not a motor-HJ summer cap but rather a standard summer cap for the HJ. The Motor-HJ patch has been put there incorrectly by someone as they were worn on the lower left sleeve.

 

[mkholst]

Here is a correct Motor summercap

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Michael

 

[wilhelm saris]

It is a pity when someone is muddling to make a cap more interesting.

 

[bertl59]

I have see this one on a dealer from The netherland some month ago .
The Motor -Hj cap badge is smaller as a normal one and i have one like this but i don t know exactly for what it was used
I will take a photo as soon as possible to compare with the other .
bertl

 

[Juliux]

It may be that the engine HJ, Flieger HJ caps came out later.
The insignia would not have to be Golden HJ Badge of honour because of the numbering and it has a yellow back.

 

[Garry]

Hi there,

If the cloth badge were not attached to the cap no one would even think about the Motor-HJ. It is a standard summer cap that has had something added at an unknown point in time. If done during the TR then this was an unofficial modification and very unlikely in my opinion as the patch for the Motor-HJ was worn on the sleeve as described by Crack above. The Motor-HJ cap had a pink cord as shown by Michael. These were discontinued in 1940 (stocks of this type were permitted to be sold until December) and replaced in Sept of that year by a black cap without the pink cord. This black cap was itself discontinued in 1943.

 

[bertl59]

Fantastic GARRY ! You give me the answer to this mysterious cap ... i have it since a long time but found no explanation .

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[Garry]

No probs We have discussed these before I think but information can get deeply buried after a while.

 

[Juliux]

HJ-Motor stitching did not pass the burn test, it was someone who stitched after time to make it more beautiful.,

 

[bertl59]

Hi GARRY ,
i found today the old thread about the motor Hj cap

Motor-HJ side cap (Sommermütze) and Bann 131 Motor-HJ shoulder straps | Headgear

ive posted this cap before, its an unissued pink pipped side cap, unnissued , unfinished item , ive been informed by someone that this cannot be right as all hj side caps had the liner sewn in before the sweatband, but that i have to disagree with, ive seen a number of side caps with this sweat...

www.hj-research.com

 

[Garry]

In a Gebiet Order (Gebiet Baden) from Aug 1940 there is a reference to Motor-HJ members adding NSKK rank insignia and the Motor-HJ qualification patch to their summer caps so although suspicion is always good when we see items today that look weird/incorrect we do have a precedent in this case. The practice was of course against regulations and it was banned by the Gebietsführer.