A few comments on the video:
Its starting in 1932? a knife with the HJ diamond,
that was only introduced in mid 1933, is found already in 1932?
Garry wrote:
(it would appear to be an impossibility that the E. Pack was on the market as the RJF's official
HJ knife prior to early 1933.)
Yes, Historically, absolutely impossible.
It`s a nice collection, BUT? what questions were covered in this video? because i watched it three times, and i did not hear one single question asked, addressed, covered or explained? all i saw was a collection of a few knives.
Dont mean to sound negative, but this is equivalent to a Christopher Ailsby
Book.... a few presented items with some commentary, but nothing in the commentary that relates to either history, manufacturing, factual or period evidence..
at all.. nothing?
Good luck explaining this one.The WKC ww1 figting type knife is a great example of the earliest HJs
No good luck is needed, why would a non NS-slogan be found on a post mid-1933 knife? simple, it would not be! Its a put-together knife at best.
What gives anyone the right to classify this as "The earliest HJ knife" ?
Especially when we know, thanks to your comment, that these kind of comments, or appraisals, are originating from people like yourself, who DO NOT STUDY HISTORY?
I am not a student of the history. All I know is what I see.
Yes, this is the main problem within our hobby. Too many people blind to the documented facts, and open to theory and wild debate - because as you so rightfully say, you, and possibly many other dealers, do not study history, you only know what you see, and if you do not have a good foundation of historical facts, then you are debating on what you see without the slightest regard for History!!! It is for this reason that you and others make basic mistakes like saying that it could be from 1932, or in the case of Wittmann, 1927-1929, when History will tell you that before mid 1933, the Diamond shaped HJ badge was ... well,
it simply was not... it was only first produced in mid 1933.
So if you would have studied history first, and not what you see, it would help you to make correct assumptions, or at least base any assumption on correct, and factual evidence!
If you dont consider history and logic into your "evaluations"
first, and
then base your findings and theories on this, you are going into wonderland with Alice and the Tom-twins... Atwood, Steele and Tony Oliver are waiting for you down there!!
@DDSDAGGERS, once again, here is the mid 1960s ad for post war knives imported from Europe to the US and sold for a few bucks.
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As a studier of daggers, you can surely help out here and:
Show us an example of these early post war $5,99.- put-together knives, and show us how they differ from pre 1945 knives? Highlight a few of the obvious errors that makers made in 1950 and in 1960 that differ radically from 1935, or 1939?History tells us that originals were made between 1933 and 1942-1943. (ten to 12 years)
Facts tell us that they have been faked by many makers, in many countries, from 1946-2012 (almost 70 years)
Logic therefore tells us that the ratio of good to bad must be 1/10 in favor of the fakes....
So my question, Where are all these fakes? why are the vast majority of HJ knives that show up today, classed as original, because they are. Or am i mistaken? are the overwhelming amount of presented HJ knives on the internet classed as fake, with only a small amount classed as original? because logic tell us that the ratio would suggest, no, Dictate, that it must be? its the other way around.... because, as you have said, History has not been studied, only what people see, and what people think they see, and what others who have seen-and subsequently written about- has been taken into consideration.
From Tom Wittmans sales pitch, claiming that the HJ knife he is selling originates from,
no sorry, Dictating that his knife is PROOF that they originated in 1927, or 1929 - proves one thing only, it proves that Thomas Wittmann does not have the first Clue about documented facts or history. So why should collectors afford this mans beliefs and what he thinks, any consideration - or any respect? apart from to laugh at him for making such an amateurish mistake? because, sorry, it is a very amateur mistake. And if he can overlook documented facts pertaining to the introduction date of the HJ fahrtenmesser, as well as the Diamond that it is adorned with, then yes, it is a very amateur mistake indeed!
Amature mistakes like this by someone with twice your expirience (50 years) says what? it says exactly what you posted, that you guys do not consult History first, or included it into any Thesis that is formed... its all about what you see, and think, and think you see,
sans Histoire !!
I would be treated the same, believe me, if i jumped onto a Knights Cross thread, or EK thread, and said that they were introduced in 1934 because of a certain style of makers mark. In fact if i said this was therefore PROOF that they were.... it would not be you, or anyone else laughing at my ideas, but rather History slapping a cold, rotten fish across my face, saying "Sunshine, wake up and read a few history books before you form any opinion."