About the Beck Team. I still do business with them, i like them somewhat, they used to have really great items at good competetive prices, but recently, and i mean since around 2010, they have gone downhill fast, bad bad items on there with every update, terrible cast fakes and fantasy items too.. lots of good older dealers have started to sell more and more rubbish of late, it`s really depressing.
Well, like i said, why would it mean Silber? or schwarz? no other item has the "color/content" stamped on it, and if they did, then all HJ
proficiency badges would have, not just suddenly from a few makers (so far M1/101 and M1/35) during a brief period, almost a decade after they first started making them?
Paul, i did`nt want to say that about Souval, but i was thinking the same thing. Now if this was an item like an SS Otto Gahr stickpin, with the letter S, we could debate for ages, but these are common items, that are everywhere in good condition for not that much money, so when you need to start making up stories about certain aspects, like "what S means" in this case, i would leave it alltogether and go for a normal piece.
Revoked? I cant see that happening unless the guy was kicked out of Germany, the HJ, Army, RAD etc etc, i know with SA men, if you were kicked out, you had to return every item.. including the Party Badge if you were kicked out of the NSDAP etc, and only with permission could you keep some items. BUT.... if for any reason you were kicked out, or had your
Proficiency badge revoked, then why would the number be made VOID? that does not make sense, as you could still wear it, not as if any person will check the reverse when it`s pinned on, and surely you would have to hand it back over if you did actually loose it?
What could you do to get it revoked? it was given for Performance, so i cant see you actually loosing it? unless you got really fat and lazy i guess?
There would also need to be Proficiency Booklets that show a Revoked/Void number too if this were the case. I have seen the stamped out numbers too from M1/101 and M1/35, also never wanted one.
Just my opinion i guess, but i would not want a "S" marked piece, i dont like having to think up stories to explain the item to myself.
edit: I guess an example of the way lots of dealers and collectors think... they cant explain certain aspects of the item, but they do know that they are real though. Beck said it himself, they have "found out" that they are original ? (which they knew anyway) how and why? they forgot to mention that. True that not all things can be explained, or are documented, but what they are saying just cant be true if you look at the items in context to the the Time period and maker(s) Lots of different opinions in this Hobby, just like the HJ Oak leaf badge thread, weitze thinks his one is real, and is selling it for €3500.- i say it`s a fake, and will soon take an identical one and chop it up for inspection..
I know that i have a tendancy to go on and on about Learning and History etc etc, but when you really think about it, this Hobby has always been about money first, learn later, thats how Konrad Kujau was able to take the German newspapers for
11 million Mark in the 1980`s !!