I just wanted to do a round of what has been discussed in this thread because there may be some doubt about some of the things that have been mentioned.
There were a number of questions raised and answered so I'll list them here and will link to the post where something was shown/said.
Is there a period colour plate from a publication that shows the cuff titles?
Yes, lots. I posted one
here. It was scanned from "DJ Führerschaft" printed 1941
When were the cufftitles (Armstreifen) for HJ-Sportwart, HJ-Schießwart, HJ-Geländesportwart and HJ-Skiwart introduced?
For the HJ this was on the 4th of Dec 1936. For the DJ on the 29th of Jan 1937.
Does the regulation say how long the cuff titles were?
No. It only explains the position (left arm a couple of fingers width above the cuff). However, in lieu of further information we must assume that they were worn around the full circumference of the sleeve on introduction in the same fashion as the CTs for Landienst, Streifendienst etc
What are the short versions?
Debertex did not provide a reference but he offers the suggestion that the band was shortened later in the war, possibly due to material shortages. The OB shows the CTs as follows:
1938: long
1943: short
This may be an indication that the CTs were indeed shortened in 1942/3 but I see no regulations on that up to the end of 1942.
There are plenty of photos, even within this very thread, showing that the majority of these cufftitles were worn short:
Here,
here,
here,
here (on a surviving shirt). The other photos do not show enough detail to say for certain that the CT was being worn around the full circumference of the sleeve.
Why are some HJ shown wearing two of these cuff titles?
The 1936 regulation introducing them (mentioned above) states clearly that only one cuff title could be worn. Even if the wearer was qualified in the other disciplines, he was only permitted to wear the CT corresponding to the activity in which he was directly engaged. This was clearly ignored on occasion but it is still useful to know how they
should have been worn.
This is for you Colin Davie. You said this on WAF 27.8.2013.
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well Fred Green showed the cut down fakes were on here not so long ago and told they were made in the 70's, but what does he know about cloth?
Nowt apparently, because Hj forumites know better than me, period publications and Fred Green. A guy in a period photo cut his cuff title short.. so what? Does'nt make the fakes real. BTW who else on that forum had a full length cufftitle? No-one. I don't collect HJ anymore but have more rare HJ stuff still lying around than the whole bunch over there."
Period publications?
This one? It has to be a picture because even if a period source were written in your favourite font (Big Crayon 400) you still couldn't read it.
"Cut down" does not necessarily = fake. The fact that you have a long version of a CT means that long ones probably existed. It does not mean that short ones are more likely to be fakes. The period photos in this very thread show that your statement is meaningless. You need to prove fakery on a CT to CT basis. That is research. Blustering in semi-English and having tantrums is not. In the meantime I suggest looking hard at this thread again and finding the other period photos of short CTs that you missed last time you looked.