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    Quote Originally Posted by quark666 View Post
    anythings possible , maybe to the British squaddie it was all foriegn -- German ,i ll see how far i can go with researching it !(which due to lack of replys and the uselessness of google might not be much further ) on top of that there is now doubt whether it is a girl --- doh !
    Terry, if you know how to use Google properly then it can work wonders. ie: If you were looking for info on say the HJ Proficiency Badge, and tapped in *HJ-Proficiency Badge* on Google.co.uk then you would get directed to very differnt sites/links than if you first went onto Google.de /.at/.ch and tapped in *Hitlerjugend Leistungsabzeichen*
    Always try using the correct German terminology first. You could also try searching for banal events pertaining to the badges, ie: *Länderkampf 1941*, *schwimmen 1941* etc... sometimes you will stumble across a site that has what you are looking for, yet does not contain any of the main search words you tipped in. Of course it helps if you can read German too, but google has a translate-page under each link i think?
    What still "bothers" me is the lack of countries names on the swimming Plaque. It cant be Austria and Germany by 1941, and could only really be Switzerland or Italy. Here is an example of one from 1942 between Suisse and Germany. The only others that i know of from the war period took place in Italy. I had quite a few of these Länderkampf Badges, Plaques and awards once, and always remeber them having the names on.

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    thanks for the tip, i m now able to access more relevant items , seems there was a "landerkampf in 41 with Hungary --- translated as "countries fight Germany-Hungary on 3-5 october 1941 at lttc rot-weiss berlin grunewald", --- rock and hard place really ,one on its own "never seen anything like it " or "must be a fake " find another example or two --- "DEFINITE FAKE ",so far it seems if it is a fake (albeit a beautiful one ) the faker only made one !

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by quark666 View Post
    thanks for the tip, i m now able to access more relevant items , seems there was a "landerkampf in 41 with Hungary --- translated as "countries fight Germany-Hungary on 3-5 october 1941 at lttc rot-weiss berlin grunewald", --- rock and hard place really ,one on its own "never seen anything like it " or "must be a fake " find another example or two --- "DEFINITE FAKE ",so far it seems if it is a fake (albeit a beautiful one ) the faker only made one !
    LOL, who said "must be a fake" ? doesn`t look like a fake at all to me. Some collectors dont like what they have never seen before, they stick to the main stream and when a unique item turns up they "have an opinion" based on what they have seen over the past 5 years or so..
    I guess there will a "reason" for everything, according to some. If they started to show up now often at auctions etc, some might say... "see it`s a fake, now they are everywhere" and the others, who believe in these very regular hoard finds, and old stock found in attics would say that it is definitely part of the recent Scheisster Hoard find.. and how beautiful and mint it is.." I guess lots of collectors fear the unique due to the amount of cr4p out there today, fair play, there are an bundance of Fantasy badges and enamelled awards, badges around, they can though, with enough patience and research, be traced back to what they were moulded on, what they are pretending to be, and in most cases, when, and who made there. This swimming award/plaque is unique, but i cant see any indication that it`s a fantasy product at all, based on the actual item that is, and not on what collectors are saying or are supposed to know. So there is no mm, and no country names, thats odd, but i dont see that as any indication that it`s a fake.

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    thank you for that common sense comment , i supose research will be the answer , but its bloody hardwork! as i intend on keeping it for a long time i guess i have time to see if any info comes up ,as to the collection itself , i feel it must have been acquired as one , otherwise we have a British squaddie collecting swimming medals from Holland and Germany during the war !sound a bit too picky and unlikely to me ,i m not getting any replys from the two Dutch sources i e-mailed , which is a shame , would have been nice to put a name to the Dutch ones at least , is it inconcievable that a Dutch woman could have partaken in the 2 German events ??

  5. #25
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    1941 was the first year in which the Länderwettkämpfe took place. They were held immediately following the 5th Youth Summer Games in Breslau in that year. The events were swimming and athletics. Holland did take part and eventually came third overall in the athletics and took second place behind Germany in the swimming. This will be where your girl received the medal so perhaps it might be possible at some point to find the lists of winners.

    Source: Das deutsche Mädel Oct 1941 p2

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    Hi,

    1941 was the first year in which the Länderwettkämpfe took place. They were held immediately following the 5th Youth Summer Games in Breslau in that year. The events were swimming and athletics. Holland did take part and eventually came third overall in the athletics and took second place behind Germany in the swimming. This will be where your girl received the medal so perhaps it might be possible at some point to find the lists of winners.

    Source: Das deutsche Mädel Oct 1941 p2
    many thanks Garry thats most informative and helpful ,i always thought they all belonged to one girl, to find her name would be brilliant

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    No problem. Yes, as you say, it should be easier now to find her name. Perhaps one of our dutch members could help with researching swimming club pages? These often show results going back to when the club was founded and such an important win would surely be listed.

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    she was obviously a very good swimmer and given that in 1941 she became "dame" intead of "dame junior" i guess she must have featured in post war events , presuming she came to no harm of course , it d be great to find out her name

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    just a heads up on this guys , I m tantalisingly close to putting a name to this collection , cheers Terry

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    Sounds good Terry. It has been a couple of weeks since your post and I was wondering whether you got the name in the end?

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