DJ-Shirt with HJ-shoulderboards

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Hello,
I could recently akquire an (unfortunately damaged) DJ/HJ-shirt from my homestate Mecklenburg. I think You will agree, that insignias from Mecklenburg are hard to find. Reason will be, that Mecklenburg always had less inhabitants than other German states and that means of course less HJ-members. And the other reason is, that it was mainly occupied by the Russians and later becaüme part of communist East Germany. So there were only a few months after the war that the British and Americans could take some souvenirs from the occupied western regions of Mecklenburg. For good reasons everybody in Mecklenburg tried his best to get rid of all Nazi-related stuff to not make their way to Sibiria...
After years I finally found this shirt with the Mecklenburg triangle and shoulderboards 758 from Mecklenburg (Hagenow). But as You will recognize the shirt is DJ with sigrune patch and the shoulderboards are HJ. Also the shoulderboards are sewn and don't have numbered buttons. As the complete shirt was cheaper than sometimes the market orice of the triangle alone I don't think that somebody spend work on that and faked the whole thing. It's just hard to find a psir of the aporopriate shoulderboards and most fakers would not even care I guess.
I know, that after 1943 there was already a shortage of HJ-insignias. So could it be, that a DJ-member just used the HJ-shoulderboards because he could not get the right DJ-boards? What do You think? Ever seen a similar shirt with mixed DJ- and HJ-insignias and without numbered buttons?
Also is there a reason why we see in general much more HJ-shoulderboards on the market than DJ?
Best regards and best wishes for the new year,
Thomas

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Hallo Thomas,

Your shirt is the very example of a post-war assembly.
It seems to me impossible that during the National Socialist period, such a fantasy could have been committed.
I don't understand why you are asking such a question since you already know the answer.
Germans have always been very picky about their uniforms for several centuries.
I also do not congratulate the person who made this assembly and who was more concerned with making money rather than highlighting the historical side.

Eric
 
Hello Eric,
I am not so sure, that it was made post war. Of course You are right, it looks odd and suspicious. But I have some paper material from a uniform shop in Mecklenburg in which is clearly stated that it was impossible to provide triangles and other insignia for the next 6 months due to material shortage. So what would the boys do in this situation? Maybe this boy had at least the shoulder straps from his older brother and for him it seemed better than nothing. Of course thats only guessing. But I paid less than 400 EUR for the whole shirt. So not much money if it was faked. I try to put together shoulder straps of all the few Banne of Mecklenburg and believe me, for the pair of shoulder boards alone I would have paid this price. I just find it strange that a faker would not just make a regular HJ-shirt out of the material. Would not have been a big deal and would surely bring more money. Thats why I actually think it could be period rather than a postwar fake. But as I say, I can live with both alternatives in this case.
Also back to the other question: why are there so less DJ-shoulder boards?
Best, Thomas
 
Hello Thomas,

To answer your second question, I had already noticed in the past that it was more difficult to find DJ shoulder straps.
When you are lucky enough to find them on the Militaria market, they do not interest many collectors who focus instead on the HJ shoulder straps. It has always been my case.
Regarding the shortage of equipment, I think it became official from 1944, therefore, we share the same point of view.
Regards
Eric
 
The numbers on the shoulderstraps corresponds with triangle correctly . This could be a case were a DJ boy was old enough to join the HJ .
In most cases they kept there old shirts and added HJ shoulderstraps and an HJ armband .
This might be a case were the boy put on an armband over his old sigrune and then removed the armband postwar , who knows , just my opinion .
 
yes Joe, this case is quite conceivable.
I also think it would be wise to put on an armband and remove the Sigrune, it would be easier .....
 
joecool said:
In most cases they kept there old shirts and added HJ shoulderstraps and an HJ armband .
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Exactly. My Flieger-Hj tunic has a common sewn armband but under it there's the old sigrune patch perceptible - and from inside visible, too.
By the way - does anybody know the meaning of those dress size numbers like "12"? I wonder if that could be the age - something like a standard size for a twelve year old. Later it was common to use the height, e.g. 164 (cm) for children.

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