HJ-Streifendienst Führer

[Steepleman]

I assume many of you will have seen this photo before as it's freely available on-line, but for the life of me I cannot identify the rank. It seems at first glance to maybe be a Gefolgschaftsführer from the lanyard but I'm am not sure. The straps seem like they are a Rottenführer's, but maybe it's actually two pips across and he's a Scharführer? I would have though though that he looks far too old to be a Rottenführer, especially dressed as he is (and with the "old member stripe" and his apparent party membership). The cuff title seems to say HJ-Streifendienst (and the caption from whence the photo comes says he's a “Hitler Jugend Security Officer”). Any ideas?

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[wilhelm saris]

well-known photo and on the market (repro) from the Szabo files from Austria.
I bought the photo from Ernst about 30 years ago and you can find the same
photo on page 387 of my HJ-handbook.

 

[Steepleman]

Is it still in print? Or do you have any information on it?

 

[wilhelm saris]

Is it still in print? Or do you have any information on it?

have no idea if Ernst still is in business. He owned some thousand glass-plates
from portrait-photos (all from a former photohgrapher) and in the old days he
owned also a lot of old photo-paper.

 

[Steepleman]

I mean is your book still in print, or if you have any information about the identification of the fellow?

 

[zacker]

Handbook of the HJ

still available, bought mine in 2016 listed as $90 then, but had a $50 amazon gift card applied so grand total then was $49, your late to the game your going to take a beating now lo. Amazon.com

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[wilhelm saris]

I mean is your book still in print, or if you have any information about the identification of the fellow?

the book might be available somewhere (maybe I could provide one), but do your really think a photographer
wrote down all the names from persons he ever made photos from? No, the name of the guy is not known!

 

[Steepleman]

I don't mean his name; I mean what his rank is, like I asked in my first post.

 

[wilhelm saris]

Here a part of the page from my book.
The caption is made too my best abilities and what I thought I saw!

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[Steepleman]

Huh; I had dismissed the possibility that he was a DJ leader as I didn't realise one could have a HJ-Streifendienst cuff title in the DJ. I suppose I've never actually understood how the division of ranks worked—were DJ leaders in the HJ proper before they became leaders? Did they have a senior HJ rank as well? Once they became a leader could they stop being one and rejoin the “main” HJ stream? Could a DJ leader become a HJ leader? Or were they fixed?

From looking at service records, it seems almost like if DJ pimpfs became DJ-führers straight on and were stuck with the 10- to 14-year-olds. Then surely they would miss out on the more advanced military training in the HJ proper...? Unless DJ leaders mingled and participated with the older HJ as well.

Thank you though for the picture; very helpful.