Are these good ones?
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Nachrichten-HJ qualification patches
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Hi schuere,
the RZM label reminds me of the reproductions, that were sold worldwide by the American mail order company "Delta International" back in the 1970s.
Google: "delta international militaria reproduction": delta international militaria reproduction - Google Suche
The early small catalogs of this company were haunted everywhere, including here in Germany.
The reproductions of that time still confuse many collectors today, after almost 50! years even the forgeries of that time are almost "late originals"...
Small fabric patches, pennants and flags were a specialty of this company.
That's just a little hint for you, can't hurt...
Micha
P.S. I think I still have one or two old catalogs from this company in my archives, I'll have a look, but I'm not promising anything!
the RZM label reminds me of the reproductions, that were sold worldwide by the American mail order company "Delta International" back in the 1970s.
Google: "delta international militaria reproduction": delta international militaria reproduction - Google Suche
The early small catalogs of this company were haunted everywhere, including here in Germany.
The reproductions of that time still confuse many collectors today, after almost 50! years even the forgeries of that time are almost "late originals"...
Small fabric patches, pennants and flags were a specialty of this company.
That's just a little hint for you, can't hurt...
Micha
P.S. I think I still have one or two old catalogs from this company in my archives, I'll have a look, but I'm not promising anything!
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Ok Thanks , so for the second one there are doubts?
Only the label or the patch to?
The first one is ok?
Only the label or the patch to?
The first one is ok?
Addendum:
For us young and poor collectors, this small catalog was a kind of a "bible".
One may smile about it nowadays, but that's exactly how it was.
The then few books on German militaria were published in the USA, unaffordable for us.
The first books by John Angolia appeared on the German book market, also very expensive.
A book by Frederic J. Stephens, "Reproduction? Recognition!" was the very first buy.
The book is rare today, but who am I telling.
Micha
P.S. The book is NOT for sale!
Read more abount the second edition: War Department Militaria
For us young and poor collectors, this small catalog was a kind of a "bible".
One may smile about it nowadays, but that's exactly how it was.
The then few books on German militaria were published in the USA, unaffordable for us.
The first books by John Angolia appeared on the German book market, also very expensive.
A book by Frederic J. Stephens, "Reproduction? Recognition!" was the very first buy.
The book is rare today, but who am I telling.
Micha
P.S. The book is NOT for sale!
Read more abount the second edition: War Department Militaria
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Hi schuere,
I would save myself an assessment of your patch, an online assessment makes no sense, sorry.
Micha
P.S. But if it is "original" for you, then your "patch" is original, even a respectable dealer like a Mr. Weitze in Hamburg has dozens of reproductions in his offer... None of us all ate wisdom with big spoons...
I would save myself an assessment of your patch, an online assessment makes no sense, sorry.
Micha
P.S. But if it is "original" for you, then your "patch" is original, even a respectable dealer like a Mr. Weitze in Hamburg has dozens of reproductions in his offer... None of us all ate wisdom with big spoons...
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Even if the label is not original, I think the badges are good. I myself had such badges in my collection and was convinced that they were good. Unfortunately, I can no longer find the pictures of my badge and I would also be interested if I had such a label on it.
There is no point in arguing about such a sleeve patch for a long time:
Nachrichten - HJ: Nachrichten-HJ – Wikipedia
Google Search : hj nachrichten: HJ Nachrichten - Recherche Google
Is all of that enough, or do we have to discuss it longer..?
Guys, just put your head together, what we're talking about here, you can find something like that at every second flea market here in Germany, for small change.
And at least 90% of this material is not old, and original.
(Including the RZM "Etiketten")
Micha
P.S. I understand your own claim to own such an original patch, without question.
But it is not without reason, that the few HJ pieces here come from private ownership.
You could say, with a "Provenance", that makes a very subtle difference...
An artefact without a personal connection is actually worthless, whether it's a knight's cross or an HJ patch, it makes no difference.
Nachrichten - HJ: Nachrichten-HJ – Wikipedia
Google Search : hj nachrichten: HJ Nachrichten - Recherche Google
Is all of that enough, or do we have to discuss it longer..?
Guys, just put your head together, what we're talking about here, you can find something like that at every second flea market here in Germany, for small change.
And at least 90% of this material is not old, and original.
(Including the RZM "Etiketten")
Micha
P.S. I understand your own claim to own such an original patch, without question.
But it is not without reason, that the few HJ pieces here come from private ownership.
You could say, with a "Provenance", that makes a very subtle difference...
An artefact without a personal connection is actually worthless, whether it's a knight's cross or an HJ patch, it makes no difference.
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This is also a nice topic about the Nachrichten insignia.
Nachrichten
with the scans from Angolia's H.J. Vol. 2.
Nachrichten
with the scans from Angolia's H.J. Vol. 2.
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I must say there is some difference between this 2..
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Angolia was the norm, years before anything better was available.
His books aren't up to date anymore, his works are historical, old shit, put simply.
What should a German say about all this, I refrain from saying that, if not, I would be blocked here in the forum immediately...
Micha
His books aren't up to date anymore, his works are historical, old shit, put simply.
10 Questions with LTC (Ret) John R. Angolia
Link: https://www.militarytrader.com/militaria-collecting-101/10-questions-with-ltc-ret-john-r-angoliaWhat should a German say about all this, I refrain from saying that, if not, I would be blocked here in the forum immediately...
Micha