RZM D2 maker wanted!

[Jack]

I very much hope that you experts on RZM lists could bring me clarity which maker hides behind the code D2/60309 (Kleiderfabriken).
Thank you very much!

 

[Garry]

I only have access to the 1935 lists which you can buy from Jo's site. Unless I've missed it there is no D2 prefix shown so I can only assume that this came in post-1935.

 

[Jack]

Thanks Garry.
Coming from Sudetenland, so you're right with your post-1035 assumption. Unfortunately, the tag is totally faded.

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After some work with a picture editor I got this result:

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According to an inscription the maker should be Richard-Tuchfabrik. I have no assured knowledge on them, but this maker could have been situated in Spremberg (Lausitz), Heinrichstraße.
And I'm still hoping to get this cross-checked.

 

[wilhelm saris]

D2/60309 is listed in 1938 as August Küster & Söhne ast Bösingfeld in Lippe.
It must be on Joe's list, as I provided the numbers as mentioned in 1938.

 

[Jack]

Thanks Wim!
So I must have misinterpreted the "reconstruction" of the stamp mark.
Could you please look up in your list if you can find "Tuch-Richard" (that's the correct name, as mentioned probably from Spremberg)? That would be really great.

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[wilhelm saris]

No manufacturer from Spremberg is listed in 1938. I do not have the time
to go through the list by hand. I need to know the exact location as they are
listed by name of the city.

 

[Jack]

Thanks again Wim.
There are only a very few traces of this company to be found. I saw a paper company logo advertised as "from Erfurt".
And there's a Archive Findbuch/catalogue entry with C. Richard, Spremberg (and a newspaper reference 15 years ago, with Heinrichstraße, Spremberg).

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And that's it. I have dealt with that topic for some time, with poor results.
Unfortunately, there's no location on the logo.

P.S.: Could it be 80309??

 

[wilhelm saris]

In Erfurt there was only one concern, but not with that name.
And no, not 80309 as all D2 numbers start with a 6.

The name Richard as Christian name is not much mentioned.
I thought just once. No, I was wrong it was Richard Gollmer.

 

[Jack]

Thank you anyway Wim.
Erfurt wasn't very likely, only a statement of an internet user wanting something to sell.
I trust the archive , the initials C.R. fit for C(arl) Richard as well as the company's name Tuch-Richard.
I have no idea why they are not mentioned in the RZM list and now I am at my wit's end ;-).
My few sources all tells the inner town of Spremberg - and there is no potentially incorporated village nearby.

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As a first name Richard was quite common during the first part of 20th century, as a family name not. I believe that the company's founder was Carl Richard senior, as the Junior was one of the holders mentioned in the records of the Amtsgericht.

 

[wilhelm saris]

The logo you showed, can you enlarge it and make a better scan.
I cannot read Spremberg or such. Where can I read the number
you mentioned: 60309.

 

[Jack]

The logo is on the inner sleeve. It says: " Tuch-Richard. 1833-1933. 100 Jahre deutsche Tuchfabrik" and the initials C.R.
No location mentioned. I only found that archive link and a Spremberg newspaper also mentioning Tuch-Richard there.

The RZM tag with the number 60... is to be found in post #3.
I will try to take a better pic of the logo, one moment...

 

[Jack]

Best ones possible ;-). It is much worn, washed, and therefore faded. Next to the manufacturer is the RZM logo with "DJ Blusenstoff" (or what has been remained of it).

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So they must had been RZM licensed whereever their office was situated.

Something that is supporting the Spremberg assumption - a "Lausitzer Rundschau" report (2004) on a Dutch forced labourer in Spremberg:

Second paragraph: "In der Heinrichstraße 6 habe er zusammen mit anderen Holländern im Bekleidungslager der Tuchfabrik C. Richard arbeiten müssen."
Ich hatte noch einen Koffer in Spremberg | Lausitzer Rundschau

 

[wilhelm saris]

The stamp was brought onto the cloth by the manufacturer of the cloth.
This might be another concern. D2 made the clothes (Kleiderfabrik).
If I find the time I will have a look if indeed there is such name amongst
cloth manufacturers. I even do not know if there was such list.
Had a look, no results!

 

[Jack]

Thanks once again Wim! I haven't considered the difference between Tuchfabrik and Kleiderfabrik . So Richard/Spremberg is probably the maker of the fabric, and Küster/Bösingfeld made the uniform (if the sequence of numbers is indicated correctly). And of course I hope very selfish that you will find the time for a successful research on the cloth makers list ;-). Thank you for your time and energy!

 

[wilhelm saris]

Küster made anyway the uniform as this was the name for the D2-number you gave.