"short" HJ Fuehrer jacket with covered buttons

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May I ask another question. I have a studio photo of a boy wearing a short jacket with unexposed buttons. I have read a little on the forum and I'm not sure when this jacket has been introduced - the "strange" thing is, that I have only one single photo with this jacket in wear.

Rgds

Daniel

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I have 2 in my collection that I am restoring . They came in wool and drell material ,I know these came in political brown and Dark blue with the wool patterns .

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hello ,
according to the book of D.Littlejohn,(the HJ) ,this is "the full winter service dress (Grosser winterdienstanzug) for Warrant officer grades (Gefolgschatsführer to Hauptgefolgschaftsführer), introduce in june 1939 for the Hj and a similar one in dark blue for the DJ leaders of corresponding rank .
JR Angolia add too that it was not to be worn by the Marine-HJ .
I ve see jackets with and without cover buttons but never a foto of one with uncover buttons in wear till now.
bertl
 
Hi Bertl,

Many thanks for your post and the details.

Just your last sentence leaves me a question: you mean you have not seen a photo with uncovered buttons, correct?

@ Joe: are you restoring the photos or the jackets?

Thx again

Daniel
 
I am restoring the actual jackets .

Marine HJ said:
Hi Bertl,

Many thanks for your post and the details.

Just your last sentence leaves me a question: you mean you have not seen a photo with uncovered buttons, correct?

@ Joe: are you restoring the photos or the jackets?

Thx again

Daniel
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The tunic with covered buttons already was described in the 1938 manufacturing-
regulations from the RZM (Herstellungsvorschriften der RZM) as HJ-Führerbluse
for Gefolgschafts-, Obergefolgschafts- and Hauptgefolgschaftsführer, as well as
for Stamm- and Oberstammführer. It was also allowed to be worn by leaders from
a Gefolgschaft when not being a Bannführer. The tunic was further allowed to be worn
by members from the Gesundheitsdienst with the rank Oberfeldscher up through and
including Hauptstabsarzt. It was further worn by a number of persons as the dress
for leaders Formal service dress and formal service dress II with the so-called
Geländedienst und Motorradfahren.
The same tunic was also introduced for the Flieger-HJ in their repectively color. It was
not meant for middle cadre from the naval-HJ.

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Hi Wim,

many thanks for your comprehensive and factual reply. With your and the other's contributions I have clarity what I see on the photo. Good stuff!

Rgds

Daniel
 
Checking my material I found this about the shorter leaders jacket.

In a special issue (Sonderdruck 7/38) from September 30, 1938
from the Amtliches Nachrichtenblatt des Jugendführers etc., this
jacket already was being mentioned for middle-cadre leaders, as
well as the special forces (but not for the naval-HJ).
It was described as: its form will be as the Feldbluse of the Luftwaffe.
The color for the jacket had to be according to the tunic (brown).

I do not know where Littlejohn and Angolia took their information
from, but I can assure you it was already fall 1938 when the shorter
jacket/tunic was being mentioned and not 1939. If I do remember
well a look-a-like shorter jacket in twill was used at the well-known
Wehrertüchtigungslager.
Maybe Littlejohn and Angolia mixed up the information from July 1,
1939 as where the cloth for these jackets was being mentioned.

In my handbook there surely will be photographs of this jacket, for
example page 393:

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In the book itself there is a colored drawing from the Organisationsbuch,
as well such drawing is at the back-cover of the book.
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Hello,

It seems that this jacket was planned (produced ?) In navy fabric. Which suggests that Marine-HJ and DJ have worn it.

Best regards

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DEBERTEX said:

Hello, It seems that this jacket was planned (produced ?) In navy fabric. Which suggests that Marine-HJ and DJ have worn it.
Best regards
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Hello Debertex. I know about this naval plate, but I do not have any further
information if the short jacket actually was introduced.
Maybe Garry has information. Might be possible.
 
I have a dark blue one in my collection , I have photos of them worn by Gebiet staff , Streife and Jungvolk leaders .
 
You surely will know there is a difference between the DJ-Führerbluse and HJ-Führerbluse
up through spring 1939?

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The DJ blouse exists with visible buttons and covered buttons, but there is a vertical seam
in the middle of the blouse! The DJ version was also worn by Werkscharen from the DAF.

With a publication from May 6, 1939 a new form DJ-Führerbluse was published, which
in style was exactly as the HJ-Führerbluse (Mitteilungsblatt der RZM). Its color was very
dark-blue.

In later RZM-issues from 1940, 1941, 1942 and 1943 there never was made a remark to
the use of the dark-blue blouse by naval-HJ. Maybe there were exceptions, but this one
must find in old correspondence! I have nothing found in material from the RZM or the
official HJ-source (Reichsbefehle/Amtliches Nachrichtenblatt).
 

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Hello,
i own the "second type" for DJ-leader.(1939)
It s dark blue and exacly the same as the HJ-jacket.
The pattern is different of the "first type " wich was in use for the werkscharen, like Wim tell.

PS :for Daniel Just your last sentence leaves me a question: you mean you have not seen a photo with uncovered buttons, correct?
Yes I never see one .
 
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