Standard Bearer Patch - Unissued?

[Eug2huge]

Hi everyone, hope all is well.

I am lucky to have this beautiful standard bearer arm patch. I believe unissued?

Apart from the small staining it is in lovely condition. Hope you like.

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[bertl59]

A nice and genuine one , nice catch !

 

[Pimpf359]

HI, a really nice piece, but with those ink stains it looks kind of familiar. Did you buy it from a dealer?

 

[Deano]

A nice and genuine one , nice catch !

Could you tell me if this is genuine? It looks the part to me..

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[Deano]

A nice and genuine one , nice catch !

Could you tell me if this is genuine? It looks the part to me..

 

[Eug2huge]

HI, a really nice piece, but with those ink stains it looks kind of familiar. Did you buy it from a dealer?

Hi, hope all is well and had a good week. Yes recently acquired.

 

[Eug2huge]

Could you tell me if this is genuine? It looks the part to me..

Sorry this one is not genuine unfortunately. There are a ton of fakes online saddle being sold as real. I’ll PM you with the differences as to not help any fakers out there!

 

[Deano]

Sorry this one is not genuine unfortunately. There are a ton of fakes online saddle being sold as real. I’ll PM you with the differences as to not help any fakers out there!

Thank you..you saved some dosh there..I thought it wasn't sold for some time.

 

[Eug2huge]

Thank you..you saved some dosh there..I thought it wasn't sold for some time.

Always good to check first! Costly mistake otherwise.

 

[Deano]

Always good to check first! Costly mistake otherwise.

Thank so much for this Standred Bearer patch..I am now the proud owner..many thanks to Eug2huge for being a great seller..and showing patience and understanding..

 

[Eug2huge]

Thanks Dean, glad it’s gone to someone who will appreciate it!

 

[Garry]

Sorry this one is not genuine unfortunately. There are a ton of fakes online saddle being sold as real. I’ll PM you with the differences as to not help any fakers out there!

Yes, a definite fake (the patch in post #4). We have lots of threads on these fake patches. The fakes will be close to 6cm in width (originals are wider) and all have the diamond with sharp point at top and bottom. I know of no original that has a sharp point at the top of the diamond although some do appear to believe in them. The argument could be solved through a clear period photograph showing a patch with a sharp top point but again, such a photo has not, to my knowledge, ever been shown.

Here is an original plus a couple of scans from period publications:

HJ Gefolgschaft and Fähnlein standard bearer patch - real vs fake | Specialist patches and insignia

Starting off with a reproduction from Weitze (it was labelled as such and is indeed a reproduction) let's have a real vs fake discussion about these patches.

www.hj-research.com

The Organisationsbuch der NSDAP is known to have contained mistakes so whether the third scan is a mistake I don't know. But, if fakers used that picture as the basis fo the creation of the fakes that would make sense. It looks to be narrower than the originals and also shows that sharp pointy top to the diamond that does not appear on known original patches or on scan two from the period.