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    Printed HJ armband - photograph

    This is the armband which started me on the quest to find evidence for the existence of period printed HJs :) Obviously everyone told me it was a fake at the time but I thought. Nah.. Let's see...

    Whether it's period or not I don't know but the fact that it has an RZM stamp should hopefully make that easy to establish if some RZM regulations from early on become available at some point.

    The picture proves that they existed but whether the RZM produced them is another matter. As you can see, the boy has not sewn his armband to the shirt and mine also has no evidence of having been sewn to a shirt in the past.

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    One would suspect that Printed HJ armbands were late war,but judging by the photo the boy has early boards so that is out of the question.I think that this photo is the closest of proofing that they existed,where many said(including me) that they did not.This is for me proof enough that they did exist.

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    the prob is are you 100% certain the armband in the pic is printed i agree it does look like it is but this could be just the way the pic came out and is hiding the detail
    just a thought

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    I'm certain. Blow the pic up as big as you like and there is still no evidence whatsoever of a seam.

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    Just revisited this thread and thought I'd make it absolutely clear that I'm not trying to make a case for the printed armband I showed. That wasn't my intention. I'm trying to find RZM regulations which will show that the RZM definitely did not print armbands for the HJ. If such regulations surface I'll be happy to shred my armband.

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    Following on from Patrick's observation, an indication that the armband might be of early manufacture (assuming genuine), is the RZM stamp, since presumably the "No 134" relates to the manufacturer, as is the case with the early party pins (prior to the full establishment of the RZM organisation), where for example you will see the RZM circle and a separately stamped "72", i.e. no M1 prefix.

    Although, I can't remember the exact example now, I have previously sold a badge with the RZM (circle) stamp and even an "No" prefix prior to the number.

    Building on this theme, I wonder if it is possible to establish the manufacturer?

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    Yes, here's one I used to own Toby. This is what makes me think that there is cause to investigate this armband further.
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    According to the 1936 RZM regulations, it was "forbidden to print or weawe the swastica or the white swasticabase to the armband" [sorry for the bad translation].

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    That's right Henrik. This is what raised the question I posed on another thread: was the regulation a reaction or a preventive measure? Did printed armbands exist and were banned or was the regulation designed to prevent them being made in the first place?

    I think my photo shows that they existed and were worn (not all agree which is fine) so for me it remains a catch-22. What came first? The printed armband or the regulation?

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    would they have been so fixle as to pass a rule to bann printed armbands, after all these could not have been really widespread just the odd ones here and there, in a large group of HJ would it have even have been noticed???.
    just as a nother wuestion are there any other branches of the nsdap that used printed armbands

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