HJ winter tunic for a scharführer

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i revamp this thread because I found an old thread where my bluse was discussed earlier. Some members there are now fellow collectors here but interestingly nobody made a remark on the type of bluse. This is actually my jacket :)

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Matt, I think Henrik posted the entire set of RZM regualtions somewhere that shows all the uniform types. I'll see if I can find it and maybe this bluse will be shown.
 
Hello, I'm coming back to this thread, I've wanted to do it for a very long time but today I decided to finally take the photos !
It's a bit long but I'll give details which will undoubtedly help to clarify the subject.
I first bought a lot in 2011 or 2012 from an individual on ebay (direct from the family but I never had any specific details despite my requests, I just know that the set comes from Hamburg).
This is the first jacket presented, I received it with (SOMETHING SPECIAL which I will present later so as not to influence any comments )a leather belt without a buckle. It was in such an incredible state of dirt that it was unrecognizable to most and this was my chance to get a lot for cheap!!
Unfortunately it was partly cut up to recover fabric and I naturally had to wash it but I looked at it carefully beforehand. There was a white marking "HJ-DJ Fuhrer Stoff" which completely disappeared when washed. I only have my word as proof !
I would never have discovered this marking if the jacket had not been canibilized to recover fabric because this marking was then found under the lining.
I will then present the 2 jacket to compare but now enough bla-bla... here are the photos

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jacket 1 : you can notice : the 6 hooks, the belt loop at the back, the place for the label, unfortunately faded, the satin type lining and the unlined collar with ZIG-ZAK stitching and to finish the buttonhole at the collar , and the inside pocket ,the color ist dark blue
(photos 5 and 6 show the construction and missing parts)

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The 2 jacket has a COTTON lining and the inside of the sleeves are satin and striped. The 6 hooks have been removed (the last photo shows one of the reinforcements sewn inside for this hook) and there is no belt loop on the back ; The collar is DOUBLE in fabric and sewn in ZIK ZAK , no interior pocket ,
no trace of label ,the pocket buttons are the same size as the others on the front but those on the sleeves are smaller as on jacket 1
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jacket 2 :I looked under certain areas of the lining but did not find any markings. The two pieces of uniform are a little different in size, the second is a little shorter but both have a similar color .However, this jacket has a particularity that I will disclose after discussing this thread, if anyone is interested of course ! I think that after all these years knowledge has evolved.

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I admit that the tracks are blurred because on post 43 the lining of the "Werkschar" jacket is satin but the sleeves are striped and post 45 another jacket called "Werkschar" has the belt loop on the back
 
Don't hesitate if you have ideas for differentiating the two variants. I wouldn't want to give the solution right away!!
 
Time passes and no one has provided any additional information, so I'll give my conclusions.
The object I didn't show, which was with jacket 1, is a painting, a portrait of a Scharfuhrer. This is consistent with the details of the jacket, which is therefore HJ.Unfortunately he is not wearing this jacket
The second jacket has this particularity: I found traces of the old shoulder straps on it, see photo. At first, I thought they were faded Landjahr straps, but when I compared them, I saw that it was more the color used by the Werkschar.

The synthesis seems simple, however, this is not the case because, given the elements described in the posts of this thread since the beginning, it seems that we find on both types of jackets the different details regardless of their intended use : HJ or Werkschar.
Namely the rear belt loop, the type of lining silky or cotton, only (possibly!) the lining of the sleeves is different on the Werhschar pattern. Perhaps other members of the forum have similar jackets that could help to deepen the subject.

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In my opinion the Dj leader and the DAF tunic are definitely the same, and there is no differences between them besides the buttons or RZM tag if they're present.
 
Prior to the attached order from June 1937 the only personnel permitted to wear the DJ-Führerbluse were the Jungbannführer and the leader of the Jungvolk at Gebiet-level. This order expanded the permission to Fähnleinführer and ranks above that. A later amendment expanded this further to the heads of department within the Jungbanne. It is also stated that, subject to review, that HJ shoulder straps were to be worn.

The similarities between the Werkschar item and the DJ-Führerbluse must have been very close because the order specifically prohibits the wearing of the DAF jacket by DJ leaders.

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