Unusual HJ Brown plastic belt.

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Hallo Gents,
could this belt be for real and late war item? :help:

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From 1.1.1937 the HJ did wear black leather belts. At this time there was not a leather shortage and I have not heard of plastic belts only late war belts made of some pressed paper or something. Your belt has a good "old" look so maybe some unofficial belt?
 
It certainly looks "old" and I suppose it could be something that someone might have knocked up back then but it'll be a hard sell I reckon.
 
Hello,

The "plastic" belts were made for the Marine-HJ (water is not the best for leather). This one, in brown, was the early one. When the HJ leather gear went to black, the same exist in the new color. On yours, one part was cut (certainly because the belt was too long) and on the cut part you could have found an RZM code.

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Hello Wim and hello all,

In the 80th (or 90th) I bought the blach one I show in my last post. I bought it from the man who wore it when he was in the Marine-HJ. If you don't find informations in the HJ orders, perhaps there is something in the SA orders (?).

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Interesting information and item. Like Wim, I see nothing in the regulations about any belt other than the standard leather belts in black and brown. Yes, SA regs might be a place to look. Hopefully something will be found.
 
No, it is neither in SA or NSKK orders.
The Mitteilungsblatt der RZM does not mention such thing.
There is no such indication at all!
But, it is always possible such belts were made, but then
without RZM permission!

So-called Lacklederkoppel in black and brown do exist for
various organizations as army, airforce, miners etc.
 

Hello,

Wim wrote : ... But, it is always possible such belts were made, but then without RZM permission !

On the picture we can see an RZM code : RZM L2 / 600 / 43

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Just thinking of who else might have needed a waterproof item like this back in the TR. Perhaps the traffic police for adverse weather conditions? Water-borne police?
 
Black belts with no cloth backing were in use by the SS, Werkschar and
occasionally worn by naval SA (or eventually NSKK). If someone did buy
a belt for his "walking-out" dress he privately could have obtained a
special belt.
All leather was able to stand severe weather conditions, as there were
many other conditions (many to mention, as genügendes Saugvermögen
und gute Wasserdichtheit, Schweissechtheit etc.). It all was described in
DIN-RAL 1821 "einfache Werkstoffprüfung von Leder". The first version
was from 1925; the new version from 1942.

Could the material eventually be "Supronband", which was common since
late 1941. I do not know if this is a possibility?
 
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