Very rare HJ shoulder boards

[Pimpf359]

Very rare shoulder boards that were probably never used properly or were only worn for a few months. Sports shirt badges are also known in this motif. Maybe there is more information about it or it can be linked to other topics here.

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See here for explanation for the photos of the straps being missing:

Very rare HJ shoulder boards | Shoulderstraps and boards

Very rare shoulder boards that were probably never used properly or were only worn for a few months. Sports shirt badges are also known in this motif. Maybe there is more information about it or it can be linked to other topics here. Admin edit: See here for explanation for the photos of...

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[Garry]

Fantastic... Where did find these (and the graphic showing these very early straps)? Is it the one that Wim showed many years ago? I can't remember exactly what that looked like.

Here is the sports patch that you mentioned by the way:

Very early (1931) Hitler Youth sports patch (HJ Reichssportabzeichen) | Specialist patches and insignia

Here is an article introducing this early HJ sports patch (Reichssportabzeichen) from the 'Kampfzeit' when the HJ was still under the control of Kurt Gruber. I found it in a 1931 copy of the HJZ Kampfblatt der Hitler-Jugend (Hitlerjugend Zeitung). I've never seen a photo of the patch in wear...

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[wilhelm saris]

nice shoulder-straps, but if the pips originally were positioned in the related period.
is for me a question!

 

[TxGauleiter]

are these for sale?

 

[Pimpf359]

Unfortunately, I can't say whether the stars were added later.
Unfortunately these boards are not in my collection and I hope I can get better pictures and then I will post them.

 

[Jack]

The pips do not correspond to the usual arrangement in the HJ, but for example to that of the Reichswehr and later the Wehrmacht (Feldwebel and Hauptmann). Hard to say.

 

[Pimpf359]

Yes, it's hard to say if these stars were worn like that. In the uniform book from 1933 you can also see a pair of boards as an example of this wearing method. Unfortunately, we don't have the documentation to say more about it. I'll get better pictures this weekend to see the back.

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[wilhelm saris]

The pips do not correspond to the usual arrangement in the HJ, but for example to that of the Reichswehr and later the Wehrmacht (Feldwebel and Hauptmann). Hard to say.

The posItion of the stars was as done at that time (1931-1932) , but my problem is the used material.
Remember the HJ units had a tradition wioth the army. This is obvious with the numbering of the later
Banne (zur Wahrung der Überlieferung der alten Armee wird anheimgestellt, die Nummern der früheren
Infanterie-Regimenter zu wählen).

 

[Garry]

The posItion of the stars was as done at that time (1931-1932)

So would these straps be for a HJ Scharführer Wim? In your book (p185) you show an early Unterbannführer with the four pips arranged like this although the strap material seems to be much darker.

 

[wilhelm saris]

I guess yes, Garry.

 

[pimpf]

It's a real pleasure to see this kind of piece appear after all these years.

 

[Pimpf359]

Now I finally got the pictures and a picture that shows how these boards are supported.
What puzzles me is the cutting pattern of the boards, which doesn't actually fit the period.
These boards definitely existed, but whether these examples are contemporary will always remain an open question.

Admin edit:

see the following post for an expnation for the missing photos:

Very rare HJ shoulder boards | Shoulderstraps and boards

Very rare shoulder boards that were probably never used properly or were only worn for a few months. Sports shirt badges are also known in this motif. Maybe there is more information about it or it can be linked to other topics here. Admin edit: See here for explanation for the photos of...

www.hj-research.com

 

[Garry]

Well done on finding the photo. Nice one.

 

[bertl59]

They are spectacular!!!

 

[Pimpf359]

This picture is up for auction at Ratisbons Auction House 62nd auction. The shoulder boards match the boards on the panel shown in the first post. The picture is dated July 8, 1933 and was taken in Austria.
I would be interested to know until when these boards were worn and why it was taken in Austria.
Unfortunately, I couldn't get a better picture.

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[Garry]

Posts 1 and 12 originally contained photos of the straps in question. Unfortunately I had to remove them due to a copyright claim by the owner of the straps and the photos of same.