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Hello guys, please give your opinion on whether it is an original one and what kind of flag this is and what it was used for? It is a three piece construction. It measures 39 × 42 cm.

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It is apart of the National Socialist German Students' Union, but I am not 100% on originality. Hope this helps
 
Collecting flags and banners from before 1945 is something special.

Sometimes a private person sells you something, not very often for the need of money.

It was never the money to get such artifacts, it was always personal and family connections, the desire to pass something on.

Micha

P.S. The photo above reflects that time, if it were a photo from my collection, it would be one of the most valuable photos of those years.



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why this photo. Did you take it from one of my books?
Is Heinrich Klöschen from Wilhelmshaven related to you!
The orignal photo was in the Stahlhelm-Archiv.
A part of it I used in volume 2 of "Headgear of Hitler's Germany",
published in 1992. The full photo was shown in "Ringkragen und
Brustschilder im Dritten Reich", published in 2012.
 
Hi Wilhelm,

I am sorry for using one of your photos, let me share one of the photos from my family:

My great-grandfather Heinrich-Christian Westerholt was a prof. photographer, he also was a prof. woodturner, and a publisher.

Let me share one of his photos from the late 1920s, a gathering of the "Stahlhelm Gau Oldenburg - Ostfriesland".
Location was the "Schlossplatz" in the city of Oldenburg.

My scan is not perfect, from the 1990s, the great-grandfather was german nationally minded, a man of the old-fashioned sort.
I like to share other photos later, please be patient...

Btw: I would be interested in the exact date, if that's even possible..?
Photos of this meeting at that time are not known, only this one photo.
If there should be more photos, then I would be very interested in them, maybe also a reference to the photographer at that time.


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My great-grandfather was a pacifist, a World War I veteran, he hated the Nazis, he hated his son's career in the Nazi Party regime, that's what killed the man...
A memory of brilliance and baseness, as in many German families.


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The photo of my grandfather is frightening,, more than ironed, strict, a German, National Socialist,
Most of these photos disappeared after 1945, all of that was burned...

Micha
PS, PS I'm getting tired of repeating all of this over and over again.
Go to the camps, walk around there, think...
 

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using my photos is not a problem, but when it comes from one of my books, then I ask for a proper credit or courtesy.

The photo of Oldenburg is known too me, as I have seen a copy it in the Stahlhelm-Archiv. Years ago this organization
was one of my favorites. I wrote various articles about them and the use of gorgets and such is dealt with with many
pages in my book about Gorgets of the Third Reich.

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Hi Wilhelm,

you will not be familiar with many photos, that is in the nature of things.
Put up with it, the "private" pictures will never appear here...

Micha

I am not familiar with your books, but I have photos that will be completely foreign to you.
Pictures from the years before and after 1900, very old family photos, there were always photographs in my family.
 
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Hi Wilhelm,

thanks for your reply, I would be interested in what you called the "Stahlhelm-Archiv" ? :unsure:
It would be interesting if you could please provide a link, or further references to it, if that is still possible...

Kind regards to the Netherlands!

Micha
 
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Hi Wilhelm,

thanks for your reply, I would be interested in what you called the "Stahlhelm-Archiv" ? :unsure:
It would be interesting if you could please provide a link, or further references to it, if that is still possible...

Kind regards to the Netherlands!

Micha
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I cannot give a link, as the archive does not exist anymore since a few years.
I will not bother the former owner with mails.
 
Thank you Wilhelm,

a lot of the photos are still online, is what I see, I didn't want to waste your time, more photos will follow...

Btw, the above "Stahlhelm" photo might be taken by the "von Oven" family, I sometimes mix them up with the Hindenburg photos from my grandfather,
when the old gentleman received a basket full of lapwing eggs from the Ammerland rural youth.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of old photos, so some things get mixed up.

But they are very beautiful and old photos, it is a pleasure to work on this ancient material...

Micha
P.S. They are high resolution photos from glass plate negatives, they are difficult to scan, we will see...
 
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Aha, typical for such german veteran organisations.

When we were children, the veterans marched at every rifle festival. (Schützenfest)
For us children, ancient men in uniforms, many in wheelchairs or self-propelled, many were being led, somehow frightening for us children, German veterans.
The old comrades got a lot of applause, there is no such thing anymore, those were different times.

I remember these limping and old men very well, the father of my childhood friend Hans-Jürgen lost both legs in 1944, he was one of these men.

A long time ago, almost not true anymore...

Micha
 
Sometimes I remember these "old" men, they received little pension, many lived in poverty, many succumbed to drinking, times were different.
The really tough men started over, as simple laborers, as a hairdresser, as an assistant for whatever.
Some sat in the street with a hat in front of them, beggars.
Very many committed suicide or drank themselves to death, I don't want to know all that, but that's exactly how it was.

Every war leaves merciless traces, the victims were and are always the simple people, completely apart from the big heads who always made ends meet.

Nothing has changed, one day we will finally wipe each other out.period.

Success was beaten into us as children, not all of us kept up with it.
The losers fell by the wayside, money was the god, those who didn't have it had lost.

Micha
 
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The owner of the archive is not an old man. I am an old man.
I guess he is at least 15 years younger then I am.
He is well respected where he lives, worked professionally in a museum
and is a specialist of orders and decorations from 1800 and into this century.

He was a leader of the new Stahlhelm-organization, but put an end to all of
this.
 
Hi Wilhelm,

I understand your brevity in these references, which are very certainly related to the
"Der Stahlhelm - Kampfbund für Europa"

The references to this organization are online, it is not my intention, to further reference them.

My conscience is democratically minded, marginally social-democratic, you shouldn't stir up everything over and over again.
Stillborn children should be left alone...

Micha
 
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