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  1. #21
    I don't know why he doesn't want to register. Could be any number of reasons.

  2. #22

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    gold badges gaining cases? sound familliar? i am not insinuating nothing against herr Klaus here :) seems hes now a forum sponser there too.

    Verwundetenabzeichen (gold)

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    Re: Verwundetenabzeichen (gold)

    Originally Posted by Woolgar
    A nice set indeed! I have seen that one before somewhere, I recognise those scratches on the reverse

    Nick


    Agreed! It seems to have gained a case too. Not noticed that when it's been posted previously!



  3. #23
    Yes, and the item description does not say that the case is not belonging to the award.. then again, i bet that most of the cases and badges today have nothing to do with each other, its the story !!!!! sometimes a case os worth more.. and then when both items are married, a small detail like the fact that they are married, is not important to many collectors. If it could be found out that HE did it, or knew about it, it would be reason enough for me to never shop with him again, then again, i am sure my account is deleted at his site anyway because of this thread, thats just how some dealers are when they catch you talking bad about their sales... Niemann was the same, he even posted this at WAF once, that anyone who talks bad about him, he will never sell to again... maybe a reason why 99% of collectors shut up and dont want to talk bad, even though they know the dealers are ...well.... censored !! they just want to carry on as usual and so this stuff will happen all day long.
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  4. #24
    Yes. It would seem that this badge didn't originally have a case and as you say, this isn't mentioned in the listing. Not a big deal when items are married up like this if the items are genuine but common courtesy would normally dictate that the prospective buyers are put in the picture.

  5. #25
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    Yes. It would seem that this badge didn't originally have a case and as you say, this isn't mentioned in the listing. Not a big deal when items are married up like this if the items are genuine but common courtesy would normally dictate that the prospective buyers are put in the picture.
    Garry, if i had mouths to feed, and bills to pay with the sales of Militaria, then i guess, i would also be inclined to look on the side of "honesty" that better favors my wallet, and not the collectors peace of mind. Besides, even if Butcheck DID say they did not belong together, how do we know, that 70, or 53 years ago maybe both DID belong to each other? LOL,.... So maybe honesty looses money? if he said that they were married, then maybe that might put a perspective buyer off? by saying nothing, he leave the door open for the collector to think that both did belong together. Look into my eyes..... yes they did, yes they did, yes they did..SOLD..to the highest bidder.

    Besides, how many guys, who have pieced together HJ sieger badges into cases, or any other badge and case, will SAY SO when it comes time to sell?? i can tell you how many ZERO ! Its not so much about what is said, like Johnson and Witmann with their "Now this is definite proof" BS... but more about saying just the right amount without telling all the details.....

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Metallwarenfabrik View Post
    btw; its from one of Morigis production runs, with the same markings used on the SSFM, SS-zivilabzeichen etc etc.
    And here is the Repro-SSFM that i mentioned a few months ago, being sold right now on MILI321 as exactly what it is, a copy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metallwarenfabrik View Post
    how many guys, have pieced together HJ sieger badges into cases, or any other badge and case, will SAY SO when it comes time to sell?? i can tell you how many ZERO !
    hope this isnt a dig at anyone in particular i.e me as with all the diff type of cased badges you just happened to pick these ,maybe im being paranoid but it will not be the first time you had a go, all the cased siegers i have came in those awards i have never bought an empty case and added a badge to it. believe it or not its bloody hard to find a empty case for a sieger badge

  8. #28
    Stu...p.a.r.a.n.o.i.a..
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  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Garry View Post
    I think that it's totally different if a collector hunts for a case to go with a badge. What I don't think is okay is how dealers, in this case Mr Butschek, don't tell the customer that the set is not matched (I'm referring to the gold wound badge mentioned earler in the thread which did not have a case but then suddenly appeared inside one when offered for sale by Butschek).
    I have to give this dealer the benefit of the doubt(s) on this one, i think its just accepted amongst collectors that a cased badge will likely have been put together at some stage.. like dagger collectors will have to switch off the part of their brain that says "your dagger could be a parts-dagger" because in all reality, it probably is! so just ignore the smallities and collect!
    C`mon, the Dealers we have are today are doing it, so what has been going on with the collectibles since 1945? 67 long years of marrying, exchanging, buffing, fixing, twisting.... with loads of Blah-blah in between to reassure
    If its Honesty we are looking for, then we are in the wrong hobby! The only Honesty will be found in a YMCA soup kitchen, with everyone at the same level and no cash involved!!

  10. #30
    Damn. You quoted the post just before I deleted it :) I misread Stu's post and was just re-phrasing a correction to mine. No matter. Yes, I would agree with you. As long as the parts are original I guess it's no big deal. It's just that when the marriage of case and badge is this obvious (Butschek) it kinda rankles a bit I think.

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