RJF Stab Photo Grouping

[Strumble69]

Hello everyone,

I recently picked up this small grouping to an RJF Stab member. It includes some great photographs.


Is there any way to find out his name? I’d also love to identify the numbers on the board in his portrait photograph. It looks as though the number begins with a 2, and I believe the group may be from Hessen-Nassau, based on a stamp on the back of one of the photographs.

If anyone spots any other details, I’d really appreciate your thoughts. Thank you.

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[Strumble69]

More pics

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[WernerBamberg]

Can't help you with names, but damn those are cool pictures!

 

[bertl59]

A great set of photos!!

 

[Strumble69]

A great set of photos!!

Thank you

 

[Jack]

Interesting set. I’ve done my best, but I wouldn’t want to go beyond a safe ‘2’ as the first digit.

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[Garry]

The Bannführer appears in different photos as RJF-Stab and as the Bannführer of a Bann. The reverse of one of the photos shows that we might be able to connect this chap to Gebiet 13 Hessen-Nassau. My Bann leader project shows a Bannführer who was in charge of Bann 253 in Gebiet 13 from 1935 until 1.6.1939 when he took a post on the RJF-Stab. I'm fairly sure that I can see 253 on his shoulder strap. If I am correct then this is Bannführer Ivo Nastold.

 

[Pimpf359]

The Bannführer appears in different photos as RJF-Stab and as the Bannführer of a Bann. The reverse of one of the photos shows that we might be able to connect this chap to Gebiet 13 Hessen-Nassau. My Bann leader project shows a Bannführer who was in charge of Bann 253 in Gebiet 13 from 1935 until 1.6.1939 when he took a post on the RJF-Stab. I'm fairly sure that I can see 253 on his shoulder strap. If I am correct then this is Bannführer Ivo Nastold.

That's great. Garry the effort and work you're putting into this topic is incredible. Many thanks.

 

[Garry]

I'm always looking. If information is out there I'll find it eventually

 

[Transpspeer]

"My Bann leader project shows a Bannführer who was in charge of Bann 253 in Gebiet 13 from 1935 until 1.6.1939 when he took a post on the RJF-Stab."

Hmm... In May 1940 HJ-Bannführer Ivo Nastold was Führer des Bannes 488 (Budweis).

Regards,
Igor

 

[Garry]

"My Bann leader project shows a Bannführer who was in charge of Bann 253 in Gebiet 13 from 1935 until 1.6.1939 when he took a post on the RJF-Stab."

Hmm... In May 1940 HJ-Bannführer Ivo Nastold was Führer des Bannes 488 (Budweis).

Regards,
Igor

Yes, my leader list shows him as the Bannführer of Bann 488 from 1.6.1939 to August 1940 when he began his Wehrdienst (KIA 26.6.1941).

However, he was on the RJF-Stab by virtue of that appointment because the Protectorate Böhmen-Mähren, more specifically Befehlsstelle Prag, where his new Bann was located was a department within the RJF command structure.

I have a source showing that he went to RJF-Stab in June 1939 upon leaving Bann 253 and a source from 1940 again confirming that he was RJF-Stab whilst in command of Bann 488:

Der Führer des Bannes Budweis (488) gez. Nastold, Bannführer i. St. d. RJF

i. St. d. RJF = im Stabe der RJF (on the Staff of the RJF).

 

[Strumble69]

The Bannführer appears in different photos as RJF-Stab and as the Bannführer of a Bann. The reverse of one of the photos shows that we might be able to connect this chap to Gebiet 13 Hessen-Nassau. My Bann leader project shows a Bannführer who was in charge of Bann 253 in Gebiet 13 from 1935 until 1.6.1939 when he took a post on the RJF-Stab. I'm fairly sure that I can see 253 on his shoulder strap. If I am correct then this is Bannführer Ivo Nastold.

Lost for words, as per usual when it comes to you.
Thank you very much for this. Love history

 

[Garry]

Lost for words, as per usual when it comes to you.
Thank you very much for this. Love history

Absolutely no probs mate. You have a nice set showing this guy both as the Bannführer 253 and later as the very first Bannführer of Bann 488 in the Protectorate of Böhmen-Mähren (Befehlsstelle Prag). There is absolutely no doubt that this is Ivo Nastold.

Here is the evidence from 1940 that I mentioned which shows that he was on the RJF-Stab and therefore why he is wearing the triangle:

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i. St. d. RJF (im Stabe der RJF - on the Staff of the RJF).

 

[Strumble69]

Non-commissioned officer

NASTOLD

IVO

Born: February 9, 1913 Mühlheim

Date and place of death: June 25, 1941 approx. 5 km NW Mokrany

He died just three days into Operation Barbarossa, five kilometres west of Mokrany—a village in modern-day southwestern Belarus situated at the geopolitical intersection of Belarus, Ukraine, and Poland.

My question is: why was he there in the first place? He was already in the RJF in 1940, which is quite a significant role to have held. So why would he be on the front lines on the opening of Operation Barbarossa? I suppose there could be many possible answers, but I’d be interested to hear what you think.

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[Garry]

His daughter Ilo was born just four months before he was KIA too... They didn't really have any choice about military service as it had been mandatory since 1935. In my leader list I don't see him being away to complete his Wehrdienst in peacetime so he is likely to have started this in August/September 1940 after leaving Bann 488. Apparently Wehrmacht basic training took between eight and twelve weeks so by winter 1940/41 he is ready. Operation Barbarossa may well have been the first time he went into action...

Edit: he started his Wehrdienst on the 1st of Sept 1940:

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[Strumble69]

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His daughter Ilo was born just four months before he was KIA too... They didn't really have any choice about military service as it had been mandatory since 1935. In my leader list I don't see him being away to complete his Wehrdienst in peacetime so he is likely to have started this in August/September 1940 after leaving Bann 488. Apparently Wehrmacht basic training took between eight and twelve weeks so by winter 1940/41 he is ready. Operation Barbarossa may well have been the first time he went into action...

Sad about his daughter, adds to the whole story.
Yeah maybe the first time he fired his weapon. Thank you for really making this thread fascinating.

 

[Garry]

Here is the announcement of the birth. Bottom right shows that Nastold was at a unit at the time.

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[Strumble69]

Here is the announcement of the birth. Bottom right shows that Nastold was at a unit at the time.

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Wtf how do you do this?

 

[Garry]

I got that from his local newspaper (Budweiser Zeitung).

 

[Garry]

I added another cutting to post 15 above. By the way, I like what you've done with your userinfo panel (the thing that appears if you hover the mouse pointer over your user name). Looks great.