Unusual Hitler Youth buckle - DJ to HJ conversion
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This is a DJ to HJ buckle conversion Paul. We've a few threads on this (just search for: buckle conversion). Here's one:
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Posts #37 and #39 of that thread give the background to the change and reference the order that brought it about. I translated the order itself in post #41
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heres a very nice buckle i stumbled apon and have added it to the collection opinions welcome :001_cool: all other members if you have any please share? (chad has 10 :w00t:) cheers Ewan
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Posts #37 and #39 of that thread give the background to the change and reference the order that brought it about. I translated the order itself in post #41
outstanding info many thanks. Is there any thoughts on the gilt overlay on this one ? 
THIS BUCKLE is now mine a nice catch me thinks with a little help from the data dept here
Hello Paul
In Angolias book "Belt Buckles & Brocades of the Third Reich" are there on page 277,278 and 279 pictures of 4 buckles with gold wash finish - the text says "Probably worn solely by the Marine-HJ, but no regulations have been encountered that would substantiate this". There are also a picture of an MHJ with tekst "presumed gold HJ buckle" The book is from 2001, så maybee there are new knowledge somewhere aut there among the forum members.
I think that the Marine-HJ-idea make sence. So if anyone have regulations/papers from the MHJ one may find something there ?!?!
On page 270 in the same book are there a foto of exactely the same buckle as yours, same stamping and also former DJ-buckle (bud NOT with gold center).
Michael
In Angolias book "Belt Buckles & Brocades of the Third Reich" are there on page 277,278 and 279 pictures of 4 buckles with gold wash finish - the text says "Probably worn solely by the Marine-HJ, but no regulations have been encountered that would substantiate this". There are also a picture of an MHJ with tekst "presumed gold HJ buckle" The book is from 2001, så maybee there are new knowledge somewhere aut there among the forum members.
I think that the Marine-HJ-idea make sence. So if anyone have regulations/papers from the MHJ one may find something there ?!?!
On page 270 in the same book are there a foto of exactely the same buckle as yours, same stamping and also former DJ-buckle (bud NOT with gold center).
Michael
Here is one that was on Winkler's site. It appears to show the method of conversion not completed.
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Hi Michael,
Angolia's statement about the gold buckles is not borne out by the clothing regulations. I see no evidence in them that the Marine-HJ ever wore a buckle in a gold colour. It is always shown that they wore the same buckle as the rest of the Hitler Youth. I'm referring here to regulations and period books/pamphlets going from 1933 right through to 1943. See also posts #40 and #41 of this thread where Wim discusses the same matter.
Angolia's statement about the gold buckles is not borne out by the clothing regulations. I see no evidence in them that the Marine-HJ ever wore a buckle in a gold colour. It is always shown that they wore the same buckle as the rest of the Hitler Youth. I'm referring here to regulations and period books/pamphlets going from 1933 right through to 1943. See also posts #40 and #41 of this thread where Wim discusses the same matter.
Hi Gerry
My post #5 was only a hint to Paul in what direction he maybee could find something about goldbuckles. I now can see that Wilhelm Saris have examined old regulations/papers in post 40 and 41 in above thread - and found no evidence for goldbuckles, so be it.
Angolia is also in doubt since he writes: " "Probably worn solely by the Marine-HJ, but no regulations have been encountered that would substantiate this".
Still much to be examined out there. but this forum brings a lot of knovledge and evidence to the members.
My post #5 was only a hint to Paul in what direction he maybee could find something about goldbuckles. I now can see that Wilhelm Saris have examined old regulations/papers in post 40 and 41 in above thread - and found no evidence for goldbuckles, so be it.
Angolia is also in doubt since he writes: " "Probably worn solely by the Marine-HJ, but no regulations have been encountered that would substantiate this".
Still much to be examined out there. but this forum brings a lot of knovledge and evidence to the members.
My comment was more directed towards what the Angolia