RZM 15 HJ honour badge possible steal?

[crack]

I just saw this B replacement HJ honour badge by RZM 15 on a dealer site listed as a reproduction. They want 65 Euros for it but could it be real?

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I see here that the number might be too high though (post number 5)? How many makers of the Hitler Youth Golden honour badge were there?

 

[Garry]

Interesting.. I added it here too:

How many makers of the Hitler Youth Golden honour badge were there?

 

[Garry]

I've just been sitting here looking at it and I think the dealer is right about it being a dud. The dot pattern, well, what we can see of it anyway, isn't like genuine RZM 15 Hoffstätter badges and appears damaged even in places where the overlying enamel isn't. The enamel in the HK is a little crappy too. I would say dud.

Who is the dealer?

 

[Jo Rivett]

Looks like the pin tip hasn`t so much as pricked a ballon, yet worn to ***** and gone?

 

[jimmy72]

I've just been sitting here looking at it and I think the dealer is right about it being a dud. The dot pattern, well, what we can see of it anyway, isn't like genuine RZM 15 Hoffstätter badges and appears damaged even in places where the overlying enamel isn't. The enamel in the HK is a little crappy too. I would say dud.

Who is the dealer?

Larger pic has the Philipp Militaria logo on it .
Like Garry I spent some time looking at this badge and just found all details "soft" compared to the known example .
The angled edge towards the stanzkante is rounded rather than having the sharp edge to angle. Reverse markings , show the same ... 15 looks fairly distorted. As mentioned , sporadic dot pattern and a needle tip showing zero wear just isn't adding up for me . Interesting !

 

[crack]

Thanks guys. Yes, looking at again I can see what you mean.

 

[Wim Vangossum]

It's a weird badge for sure. Would be the first fake maker marked 15 I come across.

Regards, Wim

 

[jimmy72]

Here is an RZM 15 Hoffstätter recently listed on Emedals ..#28054

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[Wim Vangossum]

Here is an RZM 15 Hoffstätter recently listed on Emedals ..#28054

It had a hard life.

 

[Trommeller]

It had a hard life.

So this is a good one Wim?

 

[Wim Vangossum]

So this is a good one Wim?

Terrible pictures which are far from sharp but it looks ok. But personally I wouldn't buy it, HJ Ehrenzeichens are not rare and prices of fine new-like pieces are acceptable.

 

[Garry]

The B9085 badge that started the thread has a brother (same dealer):

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Again, the numbering alone doesn't match authentic RZM 15 badges so I think that the dealer is right about these two being modern copies.