Study of Fake M1/70 HJ Honour badges (HJ Ehrenzeichen)

[Jo Rivett]

An ongoing list of the fake HJ honour badges in gold marked M1/70.
If you see a fake M1/70 badge that is not on the list, please post it or the link.

So far, two different "versions" of this fake are known.
The more modern version with coffin pin attachment is numbered in the 5000`s, and the first, older fake is found with numbers between: 8310 - 9706

List last updated:
16th of March 2024​

First Version Reproduction (Numbered):

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• 5 found on: War Relics Forum
• 1 found on: GMIC Forum
• 2 found on: German Combat Awards Forum
• 17 found on: Wehrmacht Awards Forum
• 43 found on: Dealers|Auctions
• 1 found on: Militaria fund forum
• 1 found in: Collectors literature
• 1 found on militarycollectorshq
• 5 found on emedals
• 1 found on Militaria-Riesig
• 1 found on Weitze
• 78 verified/linked numbers to date...

1. 5148 Auction site
2. 8310
3. 8535 (WRF)
4. 8612
5. 8624 (WAF)
6. 8693 (WAF)
7. 8696 1. (Charlie Snyder) 2. (Same badge)
8. 8801 (Militaria fund forum)
9. 8816 (Live Auctioneers)
10. 8818 (emedals)
11. 8923 (emedals)
12. 8825 (Militaria321)
13. 8828 (WAF)
14. 8839 (WAF)
15. 8955 (WAF)
16. 8956 (stickpin version - replaced attachment)
17. 8986 (WAF)
18. 8966 (WAF)
19. 8993 (emedals and Weitze)
20. 8996 (found on militarycollectorshq)
21. 8998 (Weitze)
22. 9030 (Ulrich Of England)
23. 9032 (CM Militaria & Germandaggers.com)
24. 9105 (WAF)
25. 9115 (unknown)
26. 9198 (Detlev Niemann - Orders & Decorations Germany 1871-1945 - P331)
27. 9202 (meshok.net)
28. 9203 (GCA)
29. 9207 (Charlie Snyder)
30. 9214 (WAF)
31. 9223 (VIP Militaria)
32. 9248 (eMedals)
33. 9252 (Worldmilitarycollectables.com)
34. 9253 (GMIC)
35. 9258 (SoldUSA.com)
36. 9262 (Carsten Baldes)
37. 9266 (Emedals)
38. 9279
39. 9291 (Jessen`s Relics)
40. 9300 (Militärische Antiquitäten Emig)
41. 9302 (Beyerauction.com)
42. 9321 (Militaria Relics)
43. 9325 (Ratisbons Auctions - withdrawn)
44. 9335 (Live auctioneers)
45. 9340 (WAF)
46. 9352
47. 9358
48. 9369 (eMedals.com)
49. 9389 (WRF)
50. 9395 (Afilliated Auctions & Realty)
51. 9396 (Military Memorabilia Limited)
52. 9403 (Echoes of Glory International Military Auction House)
53. 9408 (Weitze)
54. 9424 (Global Auction Guide)
55. 9438 (Mili321)
56. 9444 (Affiliated Auctions & Realty LLC)
57. 9477 (War Booty)
58. 9500 (WAF)
59. 9513 (WAF)
60. 9518 (Live Auctioneer)
61. 9525 (Weitze)
62. 9527 (WAF)
63. 9536 (Helmut Weitze - withdrawn)
64. 9540 (Unknown dealer)
65. 9571 (WRF)
66. 9581 (Militaria-Reisig)
67. 9590 (GCA)
68. 9601 (WAF)
69. 9611 (Ron Weinand Militaria)
70. 9623 (WAF)
71. 9624 (WAF)
72. 9636 (Meda Militaria)
73. 9652 (WRF)
74. 9660 (emedals)
75. 9662
76. 9667 (Jensen relics)
77. 9669 (Auctionguy.com)
78. 9671 (WFR)
79. 9677 (German Militaria Collectibles.com)
80. 9678 (icollector.com)
81. 9687 (WAF)
82. 9704 (Time Traveler Militaria)
83. 9706 (Oakleaf Militaria)
84. 9809 (emedals)

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Second Version Reproduction (Numbered):

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1. 5079 (Militaria321)

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Third Version Reproduction (No Numbers):

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A brand new "version" reproduction bearing the makers number M1/70 has come onto the market in all different colors - with no numbers. It is being sold by Murphs Militaria, which make the following claim in their descriptions: "correct coffin end pin, RZM marked M1/70 GES. GESCH" That is total nonsense, as the "coffin style" attachment plate is a modern invention, and was never used on any period Third Reich badge. Although they are easy to spot modern fakes, in ten or so years there will be collectors arguing over these I am sure.

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Documented Facts About The Maker M1/70 - Franz Otto:

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According the the RZM announcement papers, maker M1/70 - Franz Otto, lost his M1/ license on the 15th of October 1935.
*There are also no known small badges (of any kind) from the Third Reich period that have the number M1/70 at this time*

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[Trommeller]

This is very good. A study long overdue I think

 

[Garry]

This is very good. A study long overdue I think

Totally agree. I added 8956, 8612 and 8310 to the list Jo

 

[Gefolgschaft]

A nice project. There are some that insist that several on this list are "real", yes real fake.

 

[Jo Rivett]

Fake M1/70 Ehrenzeichen

one more for the list: 8825 (Offered for sale by user: Junior at Militaria321)

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[Jo Rivett]

9636

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[Jo Rivett]

9540

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[Jo Rivett]

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9302 - link has long gone so just a snippet from Google to support the ongoing list

 

[Jo Rivett]

9369

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[Jo Rivett]

Sneaky sneaky... Wehrmacht Awards Forum member NIGEL, is trying to sell his fake M1/70 HJ pin via MILI321.
I grabbed the new listing today just to get another number - only to find the number already listed here-with link back to WAF. Same name (Nigel) same country... LOL, great thing this saving of links...
Below the image, here the link, fake is already listed in the first post.

Sure there is no Red Seal of "Authenticity" and he doesn`t say it is original, but fishing for 100 euros for this, says enough.
This is how the exposed fakes get shifted quietly back onto the market.

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[jimmy72]

Well spotted , Jo ! Sneaky move trying to flog the known fake back into the market ! List works well though ..

 

[Jo Rivett]

Here is his answer this morning:

Hallo.badge is selling as used not original it is up to buyer to decide if he thinks its original.kind regards nigel

Exactly how these fakes get sneaked back onto the market after they have been exposed.
Pass the buck, exactly how it happens with other fakes too, like the DJ knives...

 

[Garry]

Hallo.badge is selling as used not original it is up to buyer to decide if he thinks its original.kind regards nigel

Aaaargh!! Tw#t!

 

[jimmy72]

Wow ! Here is Nigel on the Wahhhf admitting his M1/70 is a fake.

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[Jo Rivett]

Wow ! Here is Nigel on the Wahhhf admitting his M1/70 is a fake.

The next time someone starts one of those:
"Where are all the younger collectors.." "Is the hobby over?" threads, you can post these screen shots and say
"YES, it is because of this kind of attitude. Pass the buck and screw the next one down the line who might not know."

I just mailed him:

Hello Nigel



So you find it perfectly in order to:

Admit yourself in April this year, on WAF, that your badge is fake-



Yet "whack" it up on a Liechtensteiner Auktions seite, for 100 euros, fishing for someone who "might not know"?

I personally find this behavior abhorrent, but you will know this from my posts on WAF calling out this exact kind of behavior.
Hence me being expelled for getting close to the major sponsors who do exactly the same and worse.

I am also not alone in my thoughts here as the thread on the Hitler Youth research forum about this shows.

I will most certainly be including this into a future YouTube video, as a prime example of what I have always been on about.


Thanks!

 

[jimmy72]

Yeah , not done with Nigel yet ! Exactly like you say ... let’s take this back to the WAF and see what all the “ movers and shakers “ have to say !

 

[jimmy72]

Enjoyed calling him a clown and lowlife !

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[Jo Rivett]

Ha ha ha, they are going to fire you from Waaaaf mate

 

[jimmy72]

Well , Nigel came back with his pathetic excuse .

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[jimmy72]

Nigel has decided to change the Mili321 listing to “ post war copy “ . Haha !

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